speed bag basics

[Speedbag]

I see, thanks again! How do I go fast like the likes of manny pacquiao in this video? what punching technique/combination is he using? I know I can't go that fast but thats what I am aiming to do!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLW4Z...eature=channel

Practice the basics slowly until your timing gets better and then you can slowly start to punch faster and faster. Works every time.

[biguglybear]

UKspeedbag, that was cute having your daughter standing on a bench working the speedbag. She's progressing right along. Quite a scrapper, that one!

[biguglybear]

Tryme, not to take away from Manny Pacquiao, surely to be put down as one of the greatest boxers of all time, but his speedbag skills are nothing compared to Alan Kahn.

[tryme]

what punching technique is he doing looks like the rcp lcp and rsp and lsp is that right?

[ukspeedbag]

UKspeedbag, that was cute having your daughter standing on a bench working the speedbag. She's progressing right along. Quite a scrapper, that one!

Haha! thanks biguglybear. Both my kids have their moments on the speed bag.

[tryme]

how do you do a fist roll?

[ukspeedbag]

how do you do a fist roll?

Like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE3OJ0gif44

See the way Sean starts rolling his fists then moves into the bag?..........try it!

[tryme]

I see, ill deff try it tomorrow!

[tryme]

Ok I can't seem to do the fist roll at all :|

[Snoof]

Keep trying man! Last week I was getting frustrated with it, this week I'm working rolls into my "regular" basic routine. I'm still no pro but a week of steady work will result in some fine progress.

[ote888]

You got Front Circular Punches (F,C,P) which is what you'll be doing. The punch in question is the Front Straight Punch. (F,S,P)

Try it out. Start with your right fist and hit the bag with a straight punch, with the same fist bring it back and hit with your circular punch, swap hands and repeat.
My Daughter is here doing the straight punches.

hey dude...you got a really nice daughter there...very cute.. =)...

[ote888]

I see, thanks again! How do I go fast like the likes of manny pacquiao in this video? what punching technique/combination is he using? I know I can't go that fast but thats what I am aiming to do!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLW4Z...eature=channel

dude.... we have the same idol.... what inspires me doing speedbag was also manny pacquiao..im a filipino!... and though you're not..im thanking you for idolizing him.... filipinos or not...through working hard...there's nothing impossible..as what he also says =)

[paranday]

dude.... we have the same idol.... what inspires me doing speedbag was also manny pacquiao..im a filipino!... and though you're not..im thanking you for idolizing him.... filipinos or not...through working hard...there's nothing impossible..as what he also says =)

Manny Pacquiao is exciting to watch. You can be proud of him.

[Speedbag]

Like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE3OJ0gif44

See the way Sean starts rolling his fists then moves into the bag?..........try it!

Tryme tries it: no joy.

Ok I can't seem to do the fist roll at all :|

In my own personal experience I have found two ways to teach a Front Fist Roll. The first way, as in the "shawn" video is to start rolling your fists over each other, walk into a non-moving bag and keep rolling, hoping the speed, timing, fist contacts and rebounds all align. Viole! a fist roll. Probably no control, probably no understanding of what or how this works, but you "are" rolling. In this method you are trying to connect as many punches as possible, for the aim is just to keep rolling.

I have found this works for maybe 50% of the people you teach. The other 50% will need another way....

(Method 2)

The second way is to learn it gradually, starting from the first punch and going forward by adding one or two punches at a time, which greatly reduces the skill required for repetitive motion, as well the chance for control errors. Consider a "Front Double Punch" as a two punch fist roll. It really isn't, BUT the first two punches, (and last two punches) of a Fist Roll could be viewed as a double punch. When method one fails, try this:

If they cannot do a Front Double Punch (FDP) with control, have them start rollinng their fists over each other slowly, lean into the bag, hit it TWICE and stop. Then do it again, but hit it three times and stop. Three is an important step because it teaches you to stop and start on the same fist (R-L-R). Notice the first and third punch are "Right fist", (or their dominant arm). OK, now drill the three punch roll a few time.
R-L-R ' ' ' ' ' R-L-R ' ' ' ' ' R-L-R...... etc. (note 5 rebounds between the three punch rolls. reposition the arms during the five rebound to start again. Do this 3 punch roll a lot, leading with either arm. (tip: You will use the 3 punch roll A LOT in punch drumming....)

Now for most people, you can add TWO punches to keep the entry and exit on the dominant arm R-L-R-L-R. Some people do better adding ONE punch, some do better using the dominant hand as the key control factor. It just depends. But most folks learn quicker when they sense the control "in" and "out" of techniques with their dominant hand. they can work the other hand later, but to get the feel and timing, key off the dominant hand.

so, now you are doing a R-L-R-L-R Five Punch fist Roll. This is will give the sense of First Rolling, because it has a quick "machine gun" sound effect, and now you have control getting IN and OUT of the Roll. (on the dominant R hand.) Once you can do that R-L-R-L-R ' ' ' ' ' ...repeat, then try to separate the 5-punch Roll with three rebounds. But don't sweat the three rebounds in between, it doesn't really matter. You are focusing on the repetitive punching skill right now, not the combination skill of putting them together. That is a different skill.

At this point you can try to do this 3 & 5 punch roll while doing Front Circle Punching (FCP) with your dominant hand. for instance,

R_FCP ' ' ' R_FCP ' ' ' R_FCP ' ' ' 5 punch fist roll: R-L-R-L-R ' ' ' R_FCP.

Now add two more punches, for a seven punch roll: R-L-R-L-R-L-R. ( F-Roll x7)

In my own experience I have found seven punches to be THE key number where the person can then begin rolling non-stop for more and more, or endlessly, because they have the control ability of getting IN and OUT of the roll on the dominant hand. For a practice exercise, Do a 3-Punch Roll, then a 5-punch roll, then a 7-punch roll, then back to 5-punch, then 3-punch. Mix and match the rolls, control the number of contacts as YOU want, not just desperately trying to repetitively punch as in the "Shawn video". For fun, try combining the Front First Roll (F-Roll) with a Front Double Punch (FDP) combo. You should quickly feel the relationship:

R-L-R-L-R ' ' ' R-L_FDP ' ' ' L-R_FDP ' ' ' R-L-R-L-R' ' ' R-L_FDP ' ' ' L-R_FDP ' ' ' ...repeat.

(the two FDP above get your hands back in position to repeat a Right lead F-Roll) do it with 3,5,and 7 punch Rolls. Now you got it. You should be able to punch a steady basic rhythm, throw a 3,5,7 punch F-Roll and then continue in basic rhythm, or FDP with no loss of control, a consistent speed and power.

TRYME: Please try method 2 for a few days and let us know what happened.

[Snoof]

Definitely try method 2. I tried walking into the bag and it didn't work so well for me. I ended up doing pretty much what Alan suggested here and it worked much better for me.