Metal bag attachment on loop?

[Speedbag]

Gotta admit I have NEVER seen anything like this before...

Dutchman, Paranday...? any ideas

ANTIQUE Vintage BOXING BLACK LEATHER Punching SPEED BAG

[Dutchman]

This is the set up for a rope swivel. A cone or sometimes a ball was placed in the neck of the bag, the rope was threaded through it to the swivel. Knot at the bottom, knot in the swivel.

[Speedbag]

This is the set up for a rope swivel. A cone or sometimes a ball was placed in the neck of the bag, the rope was threaded through it to the swivel. Knot at the bottom, knot in the swivel.

I figured you know what this was. Wish there was some video of this setup being used.

[Dutchman]

It's interesting that the bag has a bottom valve. This came into use after the rope swivel had fallen out of favor for the ball & hook swivel. Looking closely at the pic of the neck of the bag, I would say that it wasn't intended to be used with a rope swivel. Someone who had a rope swivel and liked it took the loop off the bag and converted it to be used with the rope swivel. Obviously replacing a larger, worn out bag I would say.

[MsDeville]

I showed these images of the old speed bag to my partner, Raul. He remembers seeing something like this waaay back in the late 50's or early 60's when he was just a kid hanging out at the local boxing gyms in San Diego.

If his memory serves him correctly, he remembered a post (no eye at the end) coming down from a ball-hook swivel. It had a slight indentation near the end of the post. You would insert it in the hole of the metal cap at the top of the bag, and there was a set screw that screwed into the side of the metal "cap" that is attached to a leather sleeve or something on the leather bag (can't see a set screw in these photos, although it could be on the back side of the photo). The set screw would be screwed through the metal cap and snug up into the indentation at the end of the post to secure the bag to the swivel post. He remembers a screw driver always sitting nearby to use on the set screw (this was before allen screws, I guess) so they could swap out the bags by unscrewing the set screw and pulling the post out of the metal cap.

Does any of this sound familiar to you, Dutch? In any case, this speed bag looks like it's been tucked away from moisture and exposure. The leather still looks in good shape.

[Dutchman]

Ya know, I think that Raul is might be right looking at this again, but I can't see where the set screw is in these pics. Like I said, the rope swivels used the same type of setup, hole all the way through the cone (or ball). If you look at the close up of the upper neck, you can see a cotter pin sticking out of the top of the bag. Interesting.

[fedora]

I just saw this on ebay and the bag looks like it has an eye coming out of it that may be similar to how this one was set up. What say you??

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-23-Wood-Hoop-Leather-Punching-Boxing-Speed-Bag-/221216647213?_trksid=e17004.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D6%26pmod%3D221221213234%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D7425645301329464352&_qi=RTM759773

fedora

[Speedbag]

I showed these images of the old speed bag to my partner, Raul. He remembers seeing something like this waaay back in the late 50's or early 60's when he was just a kid hanging out at the local boxing gyms in San Diego.

If his memory serves him correctly, he remembered a post (no eye at the end) coming down from a ball-hook swivel. It had a slight indentation near the end of the post.

Ya know, I think that Raul is might be right looking at this again, but I can't see where the set screw is in these pics. Like I said, the rope swivels used the same type of setup, hole all the way through the cone (or ball). If you look at the close up of the upper neck, you can see a cotter pin sticking out of the top of the bag. Interesting.

I don't know, the closer I look at his swivel top, there appears to be an eye inside. Wierd never seen one there before.