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  • Tim
    Administrator and Founder of SpeedBagForum.com


    • Jan 2006
    • 3433

    Question for Alan: "military beat" on the speed bag?

    Alan - At the gathering this year, Dee Pooler was explaining to me the "military" beat on the bag. But I didn't have a chance to write it down , or record it. If I recall he said it's something you told him about. Can you clarify what's the punching combination for the military beat?
  • Speedbag
    Author of the Speed Bag Bible, founder of speedbagcentral.com

    • Feb 2006
    • 7110

    #2
    Originally posted by Tim View Post
    Alan - At the gathering this year, Dee Pooler was explaining to me the "military" beat on the bag. But I didn't have a chance to write it down , or record it. If I recall he said it's something you told him about. Can you clarify what's the punching combination for the military beat?

    He is probably talking about "Cadence Punching", or more specifically, IMO, Punching standard marching drum cadences on a speed bag. And most will fit perfectly with most songs written in 2/4 or 4/4 time. For people who are not musical or Drummers, this may sound confusing. But think of a Marching Band, or Military Band in a parade. They March down the street and the drummers play a "Cadence beat" that is usually 2,4 or 6 measures long and generally repeats. Most cadences will have two or maybe three patterns or variations for a bit of variety. We'd play and repeat pattern 1, then do pattern 2, then back to pattern 1. Back in "my day" drum cadences were fairly simple with just the Snare and Big Bass Drum. Today's drum corps and high school drum sections have a variety of drums and much more complicated "cadences" but the theory is the same. A constantly repetitive rhythm for marching. Then the band stops and plays a song, and then they march on in to the Cadence. Dee was probably connecting the Marching cadence to the Military since that is where it started, AND a lot of Military Marches stick closely to "rudimentary drumming", which is very "strict beat" and very little or no "funky" or Syncopation

    Anyway, I sort of explain this in my Youtube video titled "Marine Hymn Yankee Doodle speed bag punch drumming (TM)"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFbVRcsHXzU&t=13s


    ​I can't get the normal "youtube Link" to work with this video

    Another place you can see and hear this is in the "viral Video" of me explaining speed bag beats at a speed bag gathering in Reno Nevada, March 2015.
    the Cadence starts at :51 or :52 from the Front Fist Roll and goes until 1:04 when I stopped.




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    Technically, the Cadences that I used in Reno (and everywhere else..) is based on 3-punch triplets to single fist linking that naturally repeats from the other side (triple in front of bag, then triple from behind bag). I also added 5-punch and 7-punch fist rolls with Single Fist Linking. These Odd number beats fall very easily into a pattern that syncs up with 4/4 time signature.

    Some really smart folks at "DRUMEO" actually wrote out the speed bag beat pattern as a written Drum Music. Here it is.


    Who knew speed bag boxing could be so rhythmic?! Huge shoutout to Brandon Toews for transcribing this monstrosity.Boxer featured: the legendary Alan Khan. Fo...





    And here is a Young man name "Yannis Groffy" who was visiting America, saw my "viral video" and gave himself 30 days to learn it. We connected on zoom for a few sessions to get some "inside Tips". Anyway here is his video. For the record, he nails it at: 9:08 (actually at 10:40)

    I tried to recreate a speed bag rhythm that went viral. This is by far one of the most amazing projects I had the chance to create and all of that is thanks ...



    Thanks Yannis! Safe Travels to you...

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    • dad
      Speed Bag Guru
      • Dec 2018
      • 478

      #3
      Sorry Alan, but you're going to have to put some kind of health warning on these video's for those of us who have a little age to them. I was just out of breath when you finished Enjoy.

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      • Speedbag
        Author of the Speed Bag Bible, founder of speedbagcentral.com

        • Feb 2006
        • 7110

        #4
        Originally posted by dad View Post
        Sorry Alan, but you're going to have to put some kind of health warning on these video's for those of us who have a little age to them. I was just out of breath when you finished Enjoy.
        LOL. I'm 73 so I guess I should know better - but if it makes you feel better, I too was out of breath when I got down typing it and looking up the links.
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        • Dutchman
          Speed Bag Historian
          • Jun 2006
          • 1907

          #5
          Street cadences , boy that takes me back.....

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          • Tim
            Administrator and Founder of SpeedBagForum.com


            • Jan 2006
            • 3433

            #6
            Originally posted by Speedbag View Post


            He is probably talking about "Cadence Punching", or more specifically, IMO, Punching standard marching drum cadences on a speed bag. And most will fit perfectly with most songs written in 2/4 or 4/4 time. For people who are not musical or Drummers, this may sound confusing. But think of a Marching Band, or Military Band in a parade. They March down the street and the drummers play a "Cadence beat" that is usually 2,4 or 6 measures long and generally repeats. Most cadences will have two or maybe three patterns or variations for a bit of variety. We'd play and repeat pattern 1, then do pattern 2, then back to pattern 1. Back in "my day" drum cadences were fairly simple with just the Snare and Big Bass Drum. Today's drum corps and high school drum sections have a variety of drums and much more complicated "cadences" but the theory is the same. A constantly repetitive rhythm for marching. Then the band stops and plays a song, and then they march on in to the Cadence. Dee was probably connecting the Marching cadence to the Military since that is where it started, AND a lot of Military Marches stick closely to "rudimentary drumming", which is very "strict beat" and very little or no "funky" or Syncopation


            Thank you for the links. I'll be working on this.

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            • Speedbag
              Author of the Speed Bag Bible, founder of speedbagcentral.com

              • Feb 2006
              • 7110

              #7
              Originally posted by Dutchman View Post
              Street cadences , boy that takes me back.....



              Notice What we call a "Roll Off" at 1:04 - 1:08 Usually a Roll Off is used as a signal to the Band to "get ready to play". Like Marching in a street parade.... The drum major will turn and signal the drummer to "Roll Off" and that is signal for a the rest of the band to play the next song. There are slight variations to this but every drummer knows them.




              Notice the repetition of the beats and Roll Off at 1:04 again.






              Roll Off







              Just for Fun... See what speed bag beats you could add (in your head) to this. (How I wish for a marching speed bag to join in with them!) Personally I could rock this dead on.




              Actually, you can easily mix speed bag Rhythms with ALL of these cadences.
              Last edited by Speedbag; 08-15-2023, 09:58 PM.
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              • Tim
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                • Jan 2006
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                #8
                Originally posted by Speedbag View Post
                Technically, the Cadences that I used in Reno (and everywhere else..) is based on 3-punch triplets to single fist linking that naturally repeats from the other side (triple in front of bag, then triple from behind bag). I also added 5-punch and 7-punch fist rolls with Single Fist Linking. These Odd number beats fall very easily into a pattern that syncs up with 4/4 time signature.
                Alan, Can you clarify exactly what you are doing at :59 of the Reno clip (please). Is it F-ROLL - RSP (R)- RSP (L)- SDP-SDP ? I've watched it in slow-mo, regular-mo, and fast-mo but it's not making sense to me.

                I can do the 3-punch triplets with the single fist link ... but stumped on this part at the moment.

                Last edited by Tim; 09-07-2023, 09:05 PM.

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                • Speedbag
                  Author of the Speed Bag Bible, founder of speedbagcentral.com

                  • Feb 2006
                  • 7110

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Tim View Post

                  Alan, Can you clarify exactly what you are doing at :59 of the Reno clip (please). Is it F-ROLL - RSP (R)- RSP (L)- SDP-SDP ? I've watched it in slow-mo, regular-mo, and fast-mo but it's not making sense to me.

                  I can do the 3-punch triplets with the single fist link ... but stumped on this part at the moment.

                  https://youtu.be/0Q-Iu_IFzGk?t=59
                  At :59 I think that is the transition to the "second" part of the Cadence, with a 7-punch Roll, (F-Roll x7) Single fist pass through off the roll R-FCP ' ' RSP ' ' (to front) and then

                  SDP ' ' SDP. [ R-L (SDP) ' ' ' L-R (SDP) ' ' (SDP) ] . Normally I would do that (7-F-Roll) ' ' RSP ' ' SDP ' ' SDP sequence twice, but in this video I clearly did that ONCE and on the second (repeat) I added two more SDP, so it is

                  (7-F-Roll) ' ' RSP ' ' SDP ' ' SDP ' ' (7-F-Roll) ' ' RSP ' ' SDP ' ' SDP ' ' SDP ' ' SDP ' ' FCP ' ' RSP ' ' SDP ' ' FDP (end - second fist was clearly FCP with R)


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                  *attendee: Every SB gathering so far!
                  The Quest Continues...
                  Hoping for another Gathering...


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                  • Tim
                    Administrator and Founder of SpeedBagForum.com


                    • Jan 2006
                    • 3433

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Speedbag View Post

                    At :59 I think that is the transition to the "second" part of the Cadence, with a 7-punch Roll, (F-Roll x7) Single fist pass through off the roll R-FCP ' ' RSP ' ' (to front) and then....
                    Thank you - gonna practice that part now.

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                    • Tim
                      Administrator and Founder of SpeedBagForum.com


                      • Jan 2006
                      • 3433

                      #11
                      At long last, here's my take on what I've been calling "The Reno". Sound quality is bad. The gym is too much of an echo chamber..

                      Last edited by Tim; 02-19-2024, 05:49 AM.

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                      • Tim
                        Administrator and Founder of SpeedBagForum.com


                        • Jan 2006
                        • 3433

                        #12
                        Here's another rendition of "The Reno".

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                        • KLunker18
                          Member
                          • Feb 2021
                          • 39

                          #13
                          thank you so much for breaking this down!! I almost got it!

                          Tim can you rip the whole routine?

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                          • Tim
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                            • Jan 2006
                            • 3433

                            #14
                            Originally posted by KLunker18 View Post
                            thank you so much for breaking this down!! I almost got it!

                            Tim can you rip the whole routine?
                            Sort of. Maybe we can make this a thing at Speed Bag 2024? Would love to get a bunch of people learning it.

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                            • KLunker18
                              Member
                              • Feb 2021
                              • 39

                              #15
                              Here's a go. Although might have a 5 roll instead of a 7 somewhere. Still fun! Thanks so much for posting that vid on IG Alan!! Gonna go to school on all of that. I had to slowdown your original vid from YouTube to get what isn't in this thread.

                              Tim- I'm sure we will see this a lot at the Gathering after Alan's post. What events are planned for the Gathering as of now?
                              video, sharing, camera phone, video phone, free, upload
                              Last edited by KLunker18; Yesterday, 11:07 PM.

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