everlast pro s hook Speedbag swivel

[KevinDesroches]

plastic mustve gotten a make over

my plastic ball hook has never unscrewed out once, and ive ben beatin the thing pretty steady for 25 minutes and i looked to see and its still where it was when i bought it, ive hear from a sorce that theirs the old plastic swivel that is packaged in the even older ball and hook packaging has the problem your talkin about. if on the side of your package that u bought the plastic one in , look and see if it displays the old metal version on the side then youll know theyre not the remade ones.

oh and is that the link you provided before to buy the metal swivels legit? did u actualy purchase one ?

[pomaikai]

The wording has been changed to plastic flange so I would assume they no longer have the all metal ones since I posted. My swivel with the plastic ball came with my speed bag platform. If it ever does start to untwist a little super glue seems to work.

[nowingnoprayer]

I ended up using blue loc-tite.. (no superglue in my house) and its worked great.. 2, 1/2 hour sessions later still tight..
I'm starting to figure it out a bit.. worked on outward elbow strikes the other day and also revese circle punches.. getting my brain to react on even beats has been pretty tough!

[Mike]

Has anyone ever thought to take a ball hook, etc., to a local machine shop and see what they'd charge to make one? I am sure it would cost more than buying one from a supplier, but my "non-machinist" opinion is that it would not be a difficult job for a machine shop to do.

Perhaps getting one made out of good materials would enable it to last a lot longer than the ones being sold?

Just curious if anyone has ever tried this.

Semper Fi, Mike

[Mike]

Bump.

Thoughts on the machine shop version?

[Chris M]

Bump.

Thoughts on the machine shop version?

I really does sound like a great idea. Better yet, have it made out of stainless steel, it will absolutely be the last one you ever buy if it's made out of a good grade of stainless. I imagine that it would be quite costly though.

[Mike]

I was able to find a few all metal Everlast ball and hook swivels and will soon put one on my platform.

Before I do, I wanted to get some feedback from you guys.

I am currently using a chain link style swivel. It works fine and I do not notice any problems associated with the chain link set-up.

I believe Alan said that he feels the all metal ball-hook models are better because they tend to minimize the bag going off at an errant agle, especially when striking the bag from the rear.

Here's my question; I am a novice and while I have made a lot of progress (I can do some of the more difficult techniques as well as portrayed in some of the member videos posted here) I seriously doubt that I will ever get to Alan's level across the spectrum.

That said, for me and perhaps the majority of users, is there a real difference in swivel effect? I certainly can see how an expert like Alan could immediately sense a different "feel" from one swivel to another, but would the majority of us be able to do so? And, would the difference be great enough to have an adverse effect on our progression?

I recently saw a video of a boxer using a non-ball hook swivel and he was smoking the bag in an impressive fashion! I have also seen some guys in videos posted here doing quite well on their videos using some of the non-ball hook style swivels and am wondering if swivel style really makes a noticeable difference for most of us?

Looking forward to hearing your input.

Semper Fi, Mike

[KevinDesroches]

chain links good

i would say the chain link is the fastest swivel made if youre really into gettin the bag to go fast

[Speedbag]

speed bag swivels

Hmm. Let's dissect this just a bit....

...I believe Alan said that he feels that all metal ball-hook models are better because they tend to minimize the bag going off at an errant agle, especially when striking the bag from the rear.

Well, let's be a little more specific. Not to be ticky, but I have never really said the "all metal ball-hook models are better.." Actually, some metal ballhooks are poorly designed, poorly constructed and really suck. If you gave this one to me, I'd trade it for a brush pile and burn the brushpile. (giving it away will only ruin someone elses workout).

And saying I prefer the metal ballhook "..especially when striking the bag from the rear" isn't really true either. The truth is, I prefer it because it gives the truest rebound when constantly hitting from differently sides, and that is a major difference. When you start doing Reverse-Side Double Punches, and more complicated linking movements from all around the bag, I believe anyone will notice the difference. Simply linking a fist straight through, from front to back or back to front isn't really effected too much by swivel design.

Consider for just a moment, all the options available for "the next punch".

Front - Front (mostly used. triplet rhythm)
Front - L. side
Front- R. side
Front- reverse. ( also used a lot)

That is FOUR options for the same or different fist to make "the next punch". And every punch, from anywhere around the bag will have the same four options.

Rear - Rear,
Rear - L.side
Rear - R.side
Rear - Front

and it's the same from any side punch also.

What first seems simple can get very complicated, and the swing angle of contact and direction of next strike are dependent on a true rebound after every connection of fist or elbow. If the swivel link alignment or design throws the rebound off just a smidge, you increase the miss factor. You may save it, but if it happens a lot, there is something causing it.

...I recently saw a video of a boxer using a non-ball hook swivel and he was smoking the bag in an impressive fashion!..

Any swivel will work perfectly (almost), if only hit from one direction, where the angle of rebound has minimal effect on "the next punch" (coming from the same side). Any alteration the swivel puts on the rebound angle will be minimal and most likely not cause you to miss.

Hitting the bag very fast from a single direction in the triplet rhythm (boxer style) does look and sound impressive. Once or twice. Lots of people can do that on any swivel. If that is all someone wants to do, than they may never understand why swivel design can be problematic. Several boxers I have met (coaches too..) say I'm full of it. "The swivel is not big deal" And for them, it's probably not.

Here's my question; ... is there a real difference in swivel effect? I certainly can see how an expert like Alan could immediately sense a different "feel" from one swivel to another, but would the majority of us be able to do so? And, would the difference be great enough to have an adverse effect on our progression?... I have also seen some guys in videos posted here doing quite well on their videos using some of the non-ball hook style swivels and am wondering if swivel style really makes a noticeable difference for most of us?

Probably not if you use that swivel a lot. The differences in swivels is most noticeable when you change from one to the other. At least it is to me. If I use one style for awhile, I get use to it.

Mike, You don't have to be an expert to realize your bag is taking weird bounces. If you make good contact and normally hit with good control- it shouldn't be hard to spot the errant rebound caused by the swivel (or lopsided bag..). And not every bad/wierd rebound is a routine killer either. Many times, you will react and adapt, getting the bag back on track in a punch or two. And it doesn't happen a lot, but with a chainlink style it is enough to me to be annoying.

Here's the deal. IF you have good control of your punching speed, force and rhythm - you make crisp contact and can go as fast or slow as you want on any size bag, - and you start hitting from "other sides" a lot and notice the bag "..just isn't where it is supposed to be", and your punch was right on, and it happens again, and again and again, - then consider your swivel. If it's not a quality ballhook, consider changing. If your rebounds are still "off" and not where they are supposed to be on a ballhook, then consider your punching angle and contact. If your rebounds are off on a ballhook, and your punching angles, contact etc. are just fine. Then check your bag very carefully. You may just have yourself a gremlin.

[Mike]

Alan,
Thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts on this topic. Everything you said makes sense. I do notice the bag often going off on an errant angle when I try some techniques, but at this point it is probably more of a punching angle/contact problem than the swivel.

I will give the Everlast ball and hook swivel a try.

Thanks again for your response!

Semper Fi, Mike

[Mike]

I used the ball-hook swivel last night and I definitely have to get used to its "feel" vice the chain link swivel I had been using. My initial impression was that the ball-hook made the bag a bit slower, but that is most likely do to the fact that I just started using it. Does the ball "break in" after some use and get "faster"?

It is definitely much louder than the chain link swivel. Maybe its the acoustics in my home gym, but it seems to be almost twice as noisy as the chain link swivel. Is this typical of ball-hook swivels?

[Speedbag]

Speed bag swivel

I have often heard that the ballhook is slower. Maybe it is. Personally, I don't really care how fast the swivel goes, for they can all go faster than I can hit. Normally I hit at my "comfort" speed, and I find that comfort speed on any swivel I use. If my comfortable punching speed requires me to hit slightly harder or softer to adjust for the type of swivel, I guess I do it automatically. I look at a swivel's speed potential just like my car. It CAN go 120mph. I drive comforably at 60 - 80. and the ballhook for me has better "traction", with less interference.

The ballhook is also the loudest. Annoying to some, especially those not hitting the bag. If you have to have a quiet setup, the ballhook is not the best choice.