I ordered in one of these swivels and it arrived today and I bolted it straight on. Started to hit the bag and- ooh it is soo nice. I can't believe how much I was missing out on all this time! No more errant rebound angles due to the old U-bolt swivels inability to change direction freely. Not having to deal with such unpredictability is really nice and the swing and rebound seem to occur at a much more consistent speed. Whereas the U bolt swivel my observation was that the bag would leave the fist/elbow with great pace, then lose heaps of momentum on impact with the platform and return with less speed on the rebound. As if the energy was knocked out of the bag as the shonky swivel rattled it's way around the compass. And I mean rattled. The Deville Swivel puts out only a minimum of audible noise by comparison. I am very excited. Will probably dream about speed bags etc in my sleep again tonight.
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Originally posted by Speedbag Seaweed Man View PostI ordered in one of these swivels and it arrived today and I bolted it straight on. Started to hit the bag and- ooh it is soo nice. I can't believe how much I was missing out on all this time! No more errant rebound angles due to the old U-bolt swivels inability to change direction freely. Not having to deal with such unpredictability is really nice and the swing and rebound seem to occur at a much more consistent speed. Whereas the U bolt swivel my observation was that the bag would leave the fist/elbow with great pace, then lose heaps of momentum on impact with the platform and return with less speed on the rebound. As if the energy was knocked out of the bag as the shonky swivel rattled it's way around the compass. And I mean rattled. The Deville Swivel puts out only a minimum of audible noise by comparison. I am very excited. Will probably dream about speed bags etc in my sleep again tonight.Speed Bag
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Originally posted by Speedbag Seaweed Man View PostI ordered in one of these swivels and it arrived today and I bolted it straight on. Started to hit the bag and- ooh it is soo nice. I can't believe how much I was missing out on all this time! No more errant rebound angles due to the old U-bolt swivels inability to change direction freely. Not having to deal with such unpredictability is really nice and the swing and rebound seem to occur at a much more consistent speed. Whereas the U bolt swivel my observation was that the bag would leave the fist/elbow with great pace, then lose heaps of momentum on impact with the platform and return with less speed on the rebound. As if the energy was knocked out of the bag as the shonky swivel rattled it's way around the compass. And I mean rattled. The Deville Swivel puts out only a minimum of audible noise by comparison. I am very excited. Will probably dream about speed bags etc in my sleep again tonight.
Spoken like a total SPEED BAG ADDICT! Welcome to the club, Speedbag Seaweed Man!
I never get tired of hearing good things about the Deville swivel. I'm so glad it's working out for you, Speedbag Seaweed Man. Bag on!
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I wanted to also chime in as a novice bagger. I recently installed a Deville swivel, and as Dee advised, I needed to slow down in order to get my mojo back! It was a bit frustrating at first, but taking it slow and easy, and refining muscle memory and focus are bringing excellent results. I like the swivel because it forces me to be more accurate and to concentrate harder, and of course it is much faster than the one that came with the Balazs board. I also heard the knocking sound reported by others, and as I suspect it is most likely a technique issue, not an equipment issue! So I am going to work on that aspect as well. My swivel didn't come with a gasket that some have mentioned, but I will keep working on my technique before I see if I need it for noise abatement. I'm about to transition from the red (medium) Title bag to the gold shortly, but want to refine my technique before adding another variable.
On a related note, I find that facing the bag from a different direction (i.e., standing to the side with a wall near one of my shoulders) provides a very different training experience, and forces my eyes to look at the bag and not get distracted by a different background. I don't hit the bag from the side at this point and am only beginning to experiment with elbow strikes, but I like the change of scenery.
Anyhow the whole point is that the Deville swivel is excellent and I think it will help me become a better bagger!
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Originally posted by Commander View PostI wanted to also chime in as a novice bagger. I recently installed a Deville swivel, and as Dee advised, I needed to slow down in order to get my mojo back! It was a bit frustrating at first, but taking it slow and easy, and refining muscle memory and focus are bringing excellent results. I like the swivel because it forces me to be more accurate and to concentrate harder, and of course it is much faster than the one that came with the Balazs board. I also heard the knocking sound reported by others, and as I suspect it is most likely a technique issue, not an equipment issue! So I am going to work on that aspect as well. My swivel didn't come with a gasket that some have mentioned, but I will keep working on my technique before I see if I need it for noise abatement. I'm about to transition from the red (medium) Title bag to the gold shortly, but want to refine my technique before adding another variable.
On a related note, I find that facing the bag from a different direction (i.e., standing to the side with a wall near one of my shoulders) provides a very different training experience, and forces my eyes to look at the bag and not get distracted by a different background. I don't hit the bag from the side at this point and am only beginning to experiment with elbow strikes, but I like the change of scenery.
Anyhow the whole point is that the Deville swivel is excellent and I think it will help me become a better bagger!
Glad to hear you're still baggin- post up a video for us!
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Originally posted by Speedbag Seaweed Man View PostHi Commander. I really enjoyed reading your post and agree with you entirely. And I like your choice of speedbags too. The gold 5x8 is a really nice bag to hit and I think you will love it. The knocking sound you speak of- are you referring to the 'click' of the eye bolt touching the base of the swivel, or are you describing the 'clunk' sound of the brass bolt jumping up inside the base when the bag is mis hit? The clicking sound is a quality of the swivel appreciated by the ears of many punch drummers, whereas the clunk is also a common sound coming from my swivel but is caused by operator error. I know what you mean about standing to the side of the bag. I generally hit standing in the same place each time but I gaze at the swivel more than at the bag while underway. I feel the swivel can indicate a lot by it's movement and as it doesn't move as far as the bag it isn't going as fast and the eyes can relax .
Glad to hear you're still baggin- post up a video for us!Speed Bag
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Originally posted by tomwalkerwhat is diffrence between speed ball and swivel? are they same?
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Yeah, I know what you mean. I wondered that at first, but it turns out the eyelet can just barely touch the base at the extremity of its movements and is responsible for the light clinking sound which is a trait of the balhook type swivel- but the bag prevents the base getting worn excessively in the way it rebounds off the board and limits the distance the eyelet can travel. Even my 5x8 title bag is large enough to allow the eyelet to just touch the base, but because the bag doesn't wear down smaller the base doesn't either. I think the visible marks on mine were made during the swivels first hour or so of use and this is why I rekon it never seems to get any worse? Mine have seen a reasonable amount of use now.
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