Everlast 4x6

[Speedbag]

LOL, I had a feleling it was a forum member. Well nice score!!! Were you watching the bidding all along, or happen to just come across it at the final seconds? Cause I think that was the only bid you made, and for the matter, the only one you needed. I also noticed it wasn't mentioned at all here on the forum, while the bidding was going on. I'm guessing there was a few of us bidding on it, and trying not to let the whole world now about it.

All that over one of these? ( I was not the one selling this model or bidding for it on ebay...) this is the last of a bunch of these I got new a few years ago and has been lying around the house. I did hit a few of them and I wouldn't rank it as one of my favorite bags. Personally it's legend grew under the magic hands of Skunk. I have other bags that are more fun to hit, IMO only.

[Bag-A-Holic]

All that over one of these? ( I was not the one selling this model or bidding for it on ebay...) this is the last of a bunch of these I got new a few years ago and has been lying around the house. I did hit a few of them and I wouldn't rank it as one of my favorite bags. Personally it's legend grew under the magic hands of Skunk. I have other bags that are more fun to hit, IMO only.

LOL,yeah you know how it goes! People want what they cant have. I never had this bag before, but noticed its unique size, and when I tried to get one, saw it was discontinued.(making me want it even more.) Even placing two orders online, only to find out weeks later, after anxiously looking out my door for its expected arrival, to find out that it wasn't coming, and that they are out of stock?(Really won't be getting them anymore, and just havent removed it from there websites)

I ordered the xs Atomic to compensate, hasnt arrived yet.

[Bag-A-Holic]

...just to let you know, if you don't know already that the xs atomic hits nothing like the black & yellow everlast bag, there is no comparison between the two they are totally two different animals. the atomic is like hitting air and the everlast has a more solid feel to it (more weight) but is hard on the hands because of the piping (welted seems) they are hard. if i had another everlast i would send you mine so you can try it out but i only have the one and bought it used from member (speedkilz) i don't know how much life is left in this one before it bust a seam, i really like this bag a wish i had a chance to get a new one, if i ever comes across a

Well, thanks for the offer, but I'd never think about trying something out that wasn't readily available to replace, in case of mishap of what not!!! I recently got a Ringside 7x4 and that is like hitting air, and not much rebound at all. Is that what the xs Atomic is going to be like? I watched the Art of the bag video of Mattew using the xs atomic, and it made me think otherwise.

For me, airy bags don't perform well at all.

[Bag-A-Holic]

no, the ringside 4x7 (even though it's light) still has a heavier and more solid feel to hitting it than the atomic. at least that's what i could remember when i had one, i could be wrong, it's been awhile since i had those ringside bags. from reading what you wrote on other threads i think you'll like the xs atomic. i did a review of the xxs and the xs atomic bags in the review section of this forum and feel the bag rebounds much better if you change the bladder from the stock one to the title orange replacement bladder. the bag is fast and doesn't take much force to get it to move, that's why i think you might like the bag...ralph (edit)...i almost forgot your punches need to be, or have a more snapping power (force) with this bag, not a muscle pushing force but more of a explosive snapping one. if that makes sence to you...ralph

Yeah, see i like, light "SPRINGY" bags, but not to be confused with a light air bag, like hitting an empty milk carton. Now what are the differences in bladders is one rubber, the other latex or such? Are there other options?
Now that we are talking about bladders, you may have already seen this, but its called the Bladder Bag by Ebozyn. I have to try this out myself!

[florian 380]

Yeah, see i like, light "SPRINGY" bags, but not to be confused with a light air bag, like hitting an empty milk carton. Now what are the differences in bladders is one rubber, the other latex or such? Are there other options?
Now that we are talking about bladders, you may have already seen this, but its called the Bladder Bag by Ebozyn. I have to try this out myself!

i have both Atomic Bags and the yellow Pro Mex and i was realy dissapointed after hitting them !!! Then i changed the bladder and now i love them !! complete different feeling - softer and good rebound . The XXS Atomic is realy like hitting air but i like him just to have fun ...

[Bag-A-Holic]

i have both Atomic Bags and the yellow Pro Mex and i was realy dissapointed after hitting them !!! Then i changed the bladder and now i love them !! complete different feeling - softer and good rebound . The XXS Atomic is realy like hitting air but i like him just to have fun ...

Why is replacement made of different material??? I wouldn't call is a replacement then, more like a substitute!! What are the differences in material? Also are they the same size? I read that some people actually use a smaller bladder in a bigger bag gives better results. (or maybe vice versa?) I just know they used a different size.

Maybe then replacing the bladder on my new 7x4 Ringside will give it some bounce.

I need to find out what bladder is in the Heritage then. That thing is the BOmb digitty!!!!!

[Bag-A-Holic]

...yap i saw that when ebozyn made that outta the bladders he pulled out of his bag, i could send you one of mine if you wish to make one like he did just PM me your address, i don't like the black bladders they are slow, (rebound slower) then the replacement ones...ralph

Hmmmm.. Maybe a bladder bag made from the a faster replacement then? I actually have one spare bladder. When I ordered with my Jim Bradley Speedball, just in case I sprung a leak, I didnt want to get all the shipping charges again. I don't want to use this one though, other then for the way its intended for.

I havent changed any bladders since getting back into speedbagging, and when younger my father did it for me. But if what is said is true, I will be replacing alot of bladders, even though they arent leaking. Thus having bladders to experiment with, for a bladder bag!!!!

[florian 380]

Hmmmm.. Maybe a bladder bag made from the a faster replacement then? I actually have one spare bladder. When I ordered with my Jim Bradley Speedball, just in case I sprung a leak, I didnt want to get all the shipping charges again. I don't want to use this one though, other then for the way its intended for.

I havent changed any bladders since getting back into speedbagging, and when younger my father did it for me. But if what is said is true, I will be replacing alot of bladders, even though they arent leaking. Thus having bladders to experiment with, for a bladder bag!!!!

i replaced all my bladders i have title bladders in every bag except the cletos.
yes i seen this ,too ebozyn has a small bladder in a large bag but the pro mex bags are very small

[Bag-A-Holic]

I take part of my last post back. I just pulled the 1 replacement bladder out of my closet and soon realized it wasn't for the Jim Bradley. I realized this because Jim Bradleys Valve is not on the bottom of the bag, it is on the inside top of bag.. I did a little searching online and matched it up to be to a cleto reyes(its pink). Additionaly, found that title has rubber replacement bladders, but Cleto Reyes and Ringside have Latex replacements. Does anyone know which has a better bounce? Rubber sounds bouncier, but it seems my stock Cletos and Ringside Heritage have a better bounce.

[florian 380]

I take part of my last post back. I just pulled the 1 replacement bladder out of my closet and soon realized it wasn't for the Jim Bradley. I realized this because Jim Bradleys Valve is not on the bottom of the bag, it is on the inside top of bag.. I did a little searching online and matched it up to be to a cleto reyes(its pink). Additionaly, found that title has rubber replacement bladders, but Cleto Reyes and Ringside have Latex replacements. Does anyone know which has a better bounce? Rubber sounds bouncier, but it seems my stock Cletos and Ringside Heritage have a better bounce.

How is the Ringside Heritage ??????

[Bag-A-Holic]

How is the Ringside Heritage ??????

For me, the best! There is a recent thread on the Heritage, w/ pics and such

[paranday]

Wish manufacturers/importers would just start with these bladders...

[Bag-A-Holic]

Wish manufacturers/importers would just start with these bladders...

Do you what the diference is between the stock and replacement are? I think stock is Black? What is that material made of? Also do you know which is bouncier, rubber or latex?

I recently watched a video by Ringside where they did a bladder change. The stated the replacment bladder is latex, and porous and will lose a bit of air of time, but the advantage of latex and the reason they use it is because it has the "fastest rebound off the striking surface". Altough claiming to be fastest, he did not state compared to what, so this may be the fastest compared to plastic. Wondering how rubbber compares to latex?

http://www.ringside.com/ringside/latex-speed-bag-bladder-8375.html

[Bag-A-Holic]

Now it appears Cleto, Ringside, JB, and Everlast carry only Latex replacement bladders, but Title has Butyl rubber(fighting sport replacement) as well as latex rubber.


I found the following website that explains the difference from Butyl rubber and latex rubber.

http://www.molten.co.jp/sports/en/technology/tube/index.html

Types
Latex and Butyl bladders

Butyl bladders
Characteristics:
Low levels of air leakage lets you keep the air pressure at a more constant level. Best for use on hard surfaces.

Latex bladders
Characteristics:
Soft, bouncy, ideal for use on grass. Latex rubber has greater air permeability than butyl rubber, meaning that the air slowly seeps out over time. Sports balls with latex bladders need to be inflated before use."

[Dutchman]

We've talked about the differences in the material used in bladders. Early rubber bladders were made out of what was referred to as "gum" rubber. They were a better alternative to animal bladders, but they had a relatively short life. With the advent of vulcanization (which is what made the inner tube and modern tires possible) longer life was obtained, but it lacked the "bounce that the gum, or Latex bladders had. The development of butyl rubber in Germany in the 1930's produced a product that ultimately was a compromise as far as we're concerned. It was stable and relatively non porus.It made into a bladder that had enough bounce for the bags of the day with out the failure rate of the latex bladders of the time. Improvements in the formulation of today's latex compounds give us a superior product than those of the middle of last century.