Title 5x8 Speed Bag Jump Around on Swivel

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I just purchased a Title 5x8 speed bag and installed it on an Everlast Top Professional Heavy Duty Pro Swivel. Problem is, after one or two strikes, the bag tilts to one side causing the swivel to spin crazily in all directions. I've been using Everlast's 6x9 bag on the same swivel and it works just fine. Any suggestions?

[Kaju Dog]

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I just purchased a Title 5x8 speed bag and installed it on an Everlast Top Professional Heavy Duty Pro Swivel. Problem is, after one or two strikes, the bag tilts to one side causing the swivel to spin crazily in all directions. I've been using Everlast's 6x9 bag on the same swivel and it works just fine. Any suggestions?

Here's the first thing that comes to mind... But I wont claim to be anything more than a novice on the subject.



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[Speedbag]

I just purchased a Title 5x8 speed bag and installed it on an Everlast Top Professional Heavy Duty Pro Swivel. Problem is, after one or two strikes, the bag tilts to one side causing the swivel to spin crazily in all directions. I've been using Everlast's 6x9 bag on the same swivel and it works just fine. Any suggestions?

Although Kaju Dog has a good suggestion (tap the swivel on the hook) the problem may also be a ill-shaped bag attachment strap. I've had bags with misshaped straps or they were attached slightly crooked, either way the "sway" the hanging of the bag to one side or the other, creating a tendency for "wierd" rebounds. You will notice this on any kind of swivel, not just a ball hook.

Try this: inflate your bag, set it up straight on the floor or table and let it sit for a while. Then look at the shape of the attachment strap. If the strap is tilted a bit or off center, that could by your problem. unfortunatly I never found a good fix for a badly attached or misshapen strap. It will work better on a hard, pounding workout, for power punching tends to stretch it straight. But for medium speed or slow easy punching, a mis-fit strap can really screw up your rebound angles.

hope it helps.

[Jordan]

somewhat on the same topic, (probably due to lack of skill more than the bag itself) I can't seem to do a front fist roll without having the bag go off in different directions, I can hit the bag forever it seems with a regular "3 rebound" pattern...and fairly quickly too, but once i get to the roll it just starts goin haywire. Is this normal, or should I try to figure out whats wrong with my technique?

[Speedbag]

somewhat on the same topic, (probably due to lack of skill more than the bag itself) I can't seem to do a front fist roll without having the bag go off in different directions, I can hit the bag forever it seems with a regular "3 rebound" pattern...and fairly quickly too, but once i get to the roll it just starts goin haywire. Is this normal, or should I try to figure out whats wrong with my technique?

Not off topic at all! that's a good question. I have found "haywire rebounds" to be a pretty normal reaction for those learning to do Front Fist Rolling (F-Roll). I would suggest a few things to get a little more control of the motion.

1. Position: Make sure the arms are up and think of making a "V" with your arms, so the elbows are the widest part and the rolling fists are inside the elbows. Try it without a bag, put your arms up in position and put your fists just under your chin. Now overlap them slightly and roll your fists over each other, trying to keep them inside your elbows, (meaning don't extend them out beyond the point of the elbow). The reason for this is most beginners will try to make the rolling contact point on the bag way out past their elbows. For some reason, this tends to create slight miss hit angles of the fist and non-predictable rebounds. Keeping the "V" position helps keep your elbows up and the bag in the center of the contract area, adding up to more predictable rebounds.


2. Distance: Move closer to the bag once you start rolling by leaning in slightly. Leaning into the bag will reduce the space between your fist contacts and the board, and any errant rebounds won't go too far off course before they hit the board. but be aware that leaning in will also make your rolling a bit faster, since the bag has less distance to travel from fist-board-fist.

3. Counting: Start small, Counting your fist roll contacts. Start with a Three-Punch Fist Roll. R-L-R. This is only one punch more than a Front Double Punch (FDP). From Front Circle Punching with the Right Fist, do a three punch fist roll every 4 or 5 punches. From your basic rhythm punching, Do a three punch roll on your Front Circle Punch contact. Adding more contacts as control improves.

Add one more punch, making a Four-punch fist roll, but.... this is mean you start on your right fist and end on your left. R-L-R-L. This is usually more difficult because most people have problems ending or starting a Fist Roll with their non-dominant arm. If you're right handed, this will make help you learn to use your left fist equally well. But if it's "wierd", go right to a Five-Punch Roll, so you can start and end on your dominant fist. R-L-R-L-R. This is usually easier just because it keeps your dominant hand in control at the start and end. (Left if your left handed). Notice how the "odd" number fist will always be the same in the Roll.

Keep adding a punch (6,7) until you can do 3,4,5,6,7 punch rolls pretty easily. After seven punches you are really doing longer fist rolling. Once you can do 7 punches you can usually roll as long as you want because by then you should have control getting in an out of the roll. The Short 3,4,5 punch rolls will help you learn to get in and out quickly. The 6,7 Punch Rolls help learn continuous rolling technique.

As you learn to do 3-5 punch rolls, try to combine them with other techniques. Do a F-Roll after every other technique you can do. Usually the last fist of the previous technique will lead the F-Roll. Then try to do a F-Roll before each technique you can do.

You can use the same system outlined above for Reverse fist Rolling (R-Roll)

Hope these help.

[Jordan]

Yeah, thanks a lot. I tried your suggestions last night, and its becoming significantly better.

[Speedbag]

Yeah, thanks a lot. I tried your suggestions last night, and its becoming significantly better.

Glad to hear it.