Tufwear Bag replacment ques....

[spinsmashpop]

I bought a Tufwear bag....

http://store.titleboxing.com/title-tuf-wear-speed-bags.html

I think it was a 6x9. I loved the feel and the rebound. But one of the seam's stitching started ripping immediately. I sent it back and got a replacement.
Now the new one feels like a rock and has no rebound. It isn't fun at all.
It this a case of a dead bag? And other reason this may occur?
It's a total bummer as the bag has a shape different from all the others I own.
Can I call them and request yet another claiming "dead bag"???
Do bags need to sometimes go through a break in period?
The original one did not though.
Hmmmmm...
But still I ...
BAG ON!

[riqal]

I have that same bag in a 10x7 and the seams have started to rip also. The bag is a slow moving bag, and although I wouldn't describe the rebounds as "dead" I would at least say that they are much less "energetic" than the rebounds of my other bags. I don't think that this is due to the bag being a size large - I use to own an everlast pro bag size 11x8 and it was a much faster moving bag than the tuf-wear 10x7. The tuf-wear bag works better on my chainlink swivel than it does on my plastic ballhook - the chainlink increases the bag's speed. I only use the tuf-wear for trapping exercises - it actually is fun to use with trapping.

[Tim]

Do bags need to sometimes go through a break in period?
The original one did not though.

I've got quite a few bags (though no Tuf-wears) and I've never seen the rebounds change with break in. About the only difference (for bags with seams) is that the seam get a bit beaten down and are easier on the hands.

I would say the rebound is probably as good as it's ever going to be.

[Speedbag]

I bought a Tufwear bag....

http://store.titleboxing.com/title-tuf-wear-speed-bags.html

I think it was a 6x9. I loved the feel and the rebound. But one of the seam's stitching started ripping immediately. I sent it back and got a replacement.
Now the new one feels like a rock and has no rebound. It isn't fun at all.
It this a case of a dead bag? And other reason this may occur?
It's a total bummer as the bag has a shape different from all the others I own.
Can I call them and request yet another claiming "dead bag"???
Do bags need to sometimes go through a break in period?
The original one did not though.
Hmmmmm...
But still I ...
BAG ON!

It's easy to say that a bag is a bag is a bag. But IMO, that's not true. I have found that every bag has it's own "personality", and I'm not sure why. Maybe it's the leather, the bag shape, the bladder shape and material, the stitching and workmanship or some other inexplicable interaction between the parts. For over 30 years I've got bags of the same size and brand, and some just rocked from the first punch, and others were dead duds that just were not fun to use. I have NEVER met an everlast 4214 10x7 that would go faster than my great grandpa in a wheel chair. Most of the Title Bags I've owned have been very enjoyable with the original bladder, and when I changed it, they died.

Kinda like a drum. Some snares I played years ago just sang when struck, and others played like a hollow pot. Even changing the heads didn't change that.

What I do know is when I find a bag I really like, I will do very little to change it. Cause once you do, it's never the same, and usually not as good.

[spinsmashpop]

It's easy to say that a bag is a bag is a bag. But IMO, that's not true. I have found that every bag has it's own "personality", and I'm not sure why. Maybe it's the leather, the bag shape, the bladder shape and material, the stitching and workmanship or some other inexplicable interaction between the parts. For over 30 years I've got bags of the same size and brand, and some just rocked from the first punch, and others were dead duds that just were not fun to use. I have NEVER met an everlast 4214 10x7 that would go faster than my great grandpa in a wheel chair. Most of the Title Bags I've owned have been very enjoyable with the original bladder, and when I changed it, they died.

Kinda like a drum. Some snares I played years ago just sang when struck, and others played like a hollow pot. Even changing the heads didn't change that.

What I do know is when I find a bag I really like, I will do very little to change it. Cause once you do, it's never the same, and usually not as good.

Thanks AK... So, would you suggest calling Everlast and telling them they replaced my 1st Tufwear that had a stitching problem, yet felt and rebounded great, with one that is dead and I would like them to now replace the "dead" one? I would love to get one closer to what I had.

And, just today... I let some of the air out which helped a bit. Not a lot, just a bit. But I can't let much more air out without it going too far in that direction.... Have you ever noticed a bag having more "snap" to it when you decrease the air pressure?

[Speedbag]

Thanks AK... So, would you suggest calling Everlast and telling them they replaced my 1st Tufwear that had a stitching problem, yet felt and rebounded great, with one that is dead and I would like them to now replace the "dead" one? I would love to get one closer to what I had.

And, just today... I let some of the air out which helped a bit. Not a lot, just a bit. But I can't let much more air out without it going too far in that direction.... Have you ever noticed a bag having more "snap" to it when you decrease the air pressure?

Sure, why not. The worst they can say is NO, and you are no worse off. Then again, they might say yes and send another.

And, just today... I let some of the air out which helped a bit. Not a lot, just a bit. But I can't let much more air out without it going too far in that direction.... Have you ever noticed a bag having more "snap" to it when you decrease the air pressure?

Yes, I have noticied that a lot. I think Overinflating a bag too far will give it less ability to recoil correctly off the board. Overinflation can make a bag bounce like a brick, for it will not compress on the board and some compression is necessary to build rebound pressure. I don't know if that is correct by "physics", but I do know an seriously overinflated bag will not rebound as well as a slightly overinflated bag. I think it still has to have some compressive ability.

[Murph]

If everlast wont replace the tufwear, you can try taking the replacement bladder from your
Everlast Durahide Speed Bag 6x9 that's to light, and put it in your tufwear and see if it helps...I did this with an older everlast 4214 & found it to speed the bag up a bit..much better than the original bladder, but not to fast and wild like the durahide with the replacement bladder, the 4214 now moves more like the durahide did with the original blader, which wasn't fast but nor was it dead.

[Whippet]

Tufwear Bag

Here is a pic of an old Tufwear that I have. It is really well made and the leather is super-soft. I don't use gloves with when hitting this. I bought a Tufwear heavy bag stand that also had a speed bag platform attachment. The guy had it for years and had never used the bag & swivel.
AK might be able to give more insight on the age of it. My question is, is it still the same actual company making the bags today?

[Dutchman]

Your bag is from the "Golden Age" of Tufwear, the days when it was the offiicial supplier of boxing equipment of the US Olympic Team, the days of being prominently featured in the early "Rocky" movies. Those bags are very well made, utilizing very high grade leather and very durable rubber bladders. I would say that your bag dates from the early 1980's. The TufWear of today is a different company having been sold off a number a years ago .

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Your bag is from the "Golden Age" of Tufwear, the days when it was the offiicial supplier of boxing equipment of the US Olympic Team, the days of being prominently featured in the early "Rocky" movies. Those bags are very well made, utilizing very high grade leather and very durable rubber bladders. I would say that your bag dates from the early 1980's. The TufWear of today is a different company having been sold off a number a years ago .

Thanks for that - there is usually a "reasonable" explanation for things like that. I was eyeing one of those newer models too because I am so impressed by the older one that I have. I hope everyone gets treated fairly on those new bags.

[Tim]

YThe TufWear of today is a different company having been sold off a number a years ago .

Ahhh.. the glorious "Race to the bottom". Everything gets cheaper, but wears out or breaks in no time flat... sigh.

Thanks for that bit of info. I wasn't aware TufWear was a premium brand in the past.

[Speedbag]

Ahhh.. the glorious "Race to the bottom". Everything gets cheaper, but wears out or breaks in no time flat... sigh.

Thanks for that bit of info. I wasn't aware TufWear was a premium brand in the past.

They were Premo back in the 70-80's. I hit lots of them.