Practicing a Combo - TES TES SDP FDP RSP
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I agree. It has a very nice rhythm to it... music to my ears.sigpic Contact me anytime for information about Deville Swivels Email: DevilleSwivels@gmail.com
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Using trial and error for punching out a new combo and it morphed into this video
Originally posted by Brother Cavefish View Postit has a nice beat
Originally posted by MsDeville View PostI agree. It has a very nice rhythm to it... music to my ears.
Originally posted by toolboxdiver View Postlooking good Nova, great video thananks for postingNovaspeedbagger
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Yeah, great beat. You can tell he's a drummer, it's almost machine like. I can't keep a steady beat, it takes a LOT of work for me to do that, and I can't do it on anything complex. Kerry would you say that is sort of a natural talent or is it from years of drumming and training?
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Originally posted by novaspeedbagger View Post
this is a very nice rhythmic combo: written like -
S-TES ' ' S-TES ' ' SDP ' ' FDP ' ' RSP ' ' ....repeat. Notice when you do it as written it rotates the RSP from hand to hand, which happens naturally in the combo. The secret to that is which fist you pass through in the FDP, the lead or second. You can use either one and that will determine the led of the next STES.
Nova, this is a perfect 11 beat combo for what I call an "echo pattern", or reproducing the very same sound (beat, rhythm) with different techniques. You can do this by looking at the beat sound (single, double, triple..) of the NEXT technique and thinking what other technique you can do that makes that same beat. For instance, you can easily change the second STES to either a Downward Triple or an Outward Triple ES and see what happens. Here are a few variations... Hang on.
S-TES ' ' D-TES ' ' RDP ' ' FDP ' ' RSP ' '...
S-TES ' ' O-TES ' ' RDP ' ' SDP ' ' SSP ' '....
S-TES ' ' S-TES ' ' FDP ' ' RDP ' ' SSP ' '
S-TES ' ' D-TES ' ' R-SDP ' ' SDP ' ' SSP (or *FSP) ' ' (* if you us the FSP, you will still need two rebounds inbetween the next technique, so you can either do a S-TES or pass it under to begin with a Three punch R-Roll behind the bag:
S-TES ' ' D-TES ' ' R-SDP ' ' SDP ' ' FSP ' ' R-Roll ' ' S-TES ' ' SDP ' ' FDP ' ' RSP.
It doesn't matter which technique in all of this you change, as long as the beat remains the same. Change just one technique and you change the look of the combo. people watching are always fascinated by the bag beat AND the look of what you're doing, so they are normally amazed at the sight variation but repetitive sound. Now we don't necessary do this to wow the crowd, for the secret of doing echo combinations is BAG and BEAT control. Remember, Punching drumming is about the sounds of the techniques, and when you're into a song you might not know where your hands will be when you feel a certain beat you want to use.
For more on echo rhythms look in the SBB page 155. In fact, if you look at page 159 echo pattern #2-A you will see this exact combo except I used one S-TES instead of two for an 8 punch combo. Then I show 5 more ways to keep that same beat or sound with different techniques. Your combo's and movements will be all different, but the sound will remain the same. There are several more in the book and you can make up many more 4-11 or 12 punch combo's on your own.
Echo combo's will help you learn to make an single, double or triple beat sound from anywhere around the bag. In time it won't matter where your hands are, you will be able to make any single, double or triple beat rhythm. Now THAT'S bag control. Some people get lost on bag speed as a measure of skill and control, but mastering the sound you want at any speed, from any position around the bag, is also very important - if you want to be a Punch Drummer
Hope this helps you, Nova. You are REALLY improving with each video.Last edited by Speedbag; 02-13-2011, 05:57 PM.Speed Bag
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hey bro,s i am new to this " speed bible lingo" , synonyms/abbreviatians i guess, sorry for the ignorance on this, is there a list , thanksLast edited by Brother Cavefish; 02-13-2011, 04:24 PM.Choose You this day , Whom You shall Serve
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Hey, BC, welcome to the forum. The information about "speed bible lingo" can be found in Alan's Speed Bag Bible (among many other things). He has created a great shorthand method of naming the combos, for example, FCP stands for Front Circle Punch; O-TES is Outward Triple Elbow Strike, etc.
Check out this thread to get a dicount on the Bible and DVDs.
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Originally posted by Brother Cavefish View Posthey bro,s i am new to this " speed bible lingo" , synonyms/abbreviatians i guess, sorry for the ignorance on this, is there a list , thanks
There is no easy way to understand the techniques, abbreviations symbols or combinations. Just putting up a list of names and abbreviations would leave people confused, asking "what does that mean...", particularly if they don't have the bag skill to control the movement anyway and have never hit from all around the bag. The only way to really learn and understand it is to either read it in the book or see it on video (but the video does not explain the written abbreviations. that is only in the book for obvious reasons.)
Here is a simple link to an explanation and I can tell you a full list of the techniques and abbreviations is found on page 216 of the recent edition.
When someone understands this, which many do, we can easily write back and forth, discussing exact fist or technique variations. It is important because their are so many variations that are possible after each technique. That is why I can make such a post to Novaspeedbagger who understands the system well enough to go to his bag and follow the written combination ( or sit and do it as he reads).
hope this helps.Last edited by Speedbag; 02-13-2011, 06:33 PM.Speed Bag
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el na-tur-al`? I don't think so
Originally posted by Tim View PostYeah, great beat. You can tell he's a drummer, it's almost machine like. I can't keep a steady beat, it takes a LOT of work for me to do that, and I can't do it on anything complex. Kerry would you say that is sort of a natural talent or is it from years of drumming and training?
Originally posted by Speedbag View PostI think I posted this under the other video and should be here:
this is a very nice rhythmic combo: written like -
S-TES ' ' S-TES ' ' SDP ' ' FDP ' ' RSP ' ' ....repeat. Notice when you do it as written it rotates the RSP from hand to hand, which happens naturally in the combo. The secret to that is which fist you pass through in the FDP, the lead or second. You can use either one and that will determine the led of the next STES.
Nova, this is a perfect 11 beat combo for what I call an "echo pattern", or reproducing the very same sound (beat, rhythm) with different techniques. You can do this by looking at the beat sound (single, double, triple..) of the NEXT technique and thinking what other technique you can do that makes that same beat. For instance, you can easily change the second STES to either a Downward Triple or an Outward Triple ES and see what happens. Here are a few variations... Hang on.
S-TES ' ' D-TES ' ' RDP ' ' FDP ' ' RSP ' '...
S-TES ' ' O-TES ' ' RDP ' ' SDP ' ' SSP ' '....
S-TES ' ' S-TES ' ' FDP ' ' RDP ' ' SSP ' '
S-TES ' ' D-TES ' ' R-SDP ' ' SDP ' ' SSP (or *FSP) ' ' (* if you us the FSP, you will still need two rebounds inbetween the next technique, so you can either do a S-TES or pass it under to begin with a Three punch R-Roll behind the bag:
S-TES ' ' D-TES ' ' R-SDP ' ' SDP ' ' FSP ' ' R-Roll ' ' S-TES ' ' SDP ' ' FDP ' ' RSP.
It doesn't matter which technique in all of this you change, as long as the beat remains the same. Change just one technique and you change the look of the combo. people watching are always fascinated by the bag beat AND the look of what you're doing, so they are normally amazed at the sight variation but repetitive sound. Now we don't necessary do this to wow the crowd, for the secret of doing echo combinations is BAG and BEAT control. Remember, Punching drumming is about the sounds of the techniques, and when you're into a song you might not know where your hands will be when you feel a certain beat you want to use.
For more on echo rhythms look in the SBB page 155. In fact, if you look at page 159 echo pattern #2-A you will see this exact combo except I used one S-TES instead of two for an 8 punch combo. Then I show 5 more ways to keep that same beat or sound with different techniques. Your combo's and movements will be all different, but the sound will remain the same. There are several more in the book and you can make up many more 4-11 or 12 punch combo's on your own.
Echo combo's will help you learn to make an single, double or triple beat sound from anywhere around the bag. In time it won't matter where your hands are, you will be able to make any single, double or triple beat rhythm. Now THAT'S bag control. Some people get lost on bag speed as a measure of skill and control, but mastering the sound you want at any speed, from any position around the bag, is also very important - if you want to be a Punch Drummer
Hope this helps you, Nova. You are REALLY improving with each video.
Originally posted by Brother Cavefish View Posthey bro,s i am new to this " speed bible lingo" , synonyms/abbreviatians i guess, sorry for the ignorance on this, is there a list , thanks
Keep on Baggin! and Welcome to the forum!
Originally posted by hammer6384 View PostThats a smooth combo!
Keep Baggin!Novaspeedbagger
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Originally posted by novaspeedbagger View Post...... It's funny though, because I never really set out on becoming a punch drummer. But this is where the speed bag journey has taken me. I'm just enjoying it.
Speed Bag
Put a little Rhythm in YOUR workout!
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The Quest Continues...
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hey man I am 49 and just getting back into this stuff, my kids are boxing so i figured i needed to get back into shape-- i was doing , what i call double fist rollovers forward and back--- and i was muscling up, too tense and the next morning my old shoulder injury started coming back------ wrists sore , body aches , nothing like getting old, LOL I forgot how much fun this was, my kids diggin it too- keeps them from to much TV------ glad to be a part of this group guys---- i wish i knew about this place earlierChoose You this day , Whom You shall Serve
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