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Tim, thanks for posting links. I agree, if I was in the market for a swivel, it would be the newer one w/bag. Already have too many-4 from ebay and 1 from craigslist. Right now, I am using the plastic everlast base from the plastic ball and hook w/Watkins ball and s hook from an old metal ball and hook everlast. These 3 together have work the best for me. I also like plastic ball and hook w/small yellow title.
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