Vintage New York Everlast speed bag swivels

[ventanakaz]

Got another swivel completed, i'll post one picture here then post more on the (play it again) section of this forum

[Speedbag]

I've never seen the original rope swivels that came with these platforms, I've only seen them from where i posted the pictures from the catalog above, Sorry to say but you will probably never find them because there were probably updated with more modern swivels, like the Ball-Hook swivels, other swivels i seen on them were Chainlink and U-bolt, But the all metal ball-hook is a more pure swivel to where you can hit from all sides and angles of the bag without having the limitations of the chainlink or the u-bolt swivel, Plus what other people don't realize and from years of my experience of hitting on the chainlink & u-bolt (Side Bar/i hit on the chainlink for alot of years and the u-bolt for a short time before i just threw the u-bolt in the garage can) the chainlink would kink up when i would hit with a true boxing style that included boxing the bag with combinations (not circle hammer fist) So whenever i threw a straight punch then to a hook punch, the chainlink couldn't handle that fast extreme change of angles so it was frustrating, and that is because of the Mechanical design of the swivel, Also the bag only hit on two panels of the bag, the front and back, Wearing out the bag prematurely, The other panels of the bag never hit the drum, With the metal ball-hook you can hit from all sides and angles of the bag with no problem plus all the bags panels would hit the drum, Making the bag last longer.

Brilliant insight on faults of chain link and U- bolt swivels. Thanks!

[ventanakaz]

One more pic.

[ventanakaz]

Got Another small batch of Everlast New York Swivels done and ready to Sell, i just gotta get one more of my Ball-hook Assemblies done and installed in the fourth swivel.

[ventanakaz]

Very cool, thanks for all this info! I'd like to set it up as authentically as possible. A big bag sounds like it would be fun.

I've never seen the original rope swivels that came with these platforms, I've only seen them from where i posted the pictures from the catalog above, Sorry to say but you will probably never find them because there were probably updated with more modern swivels, like the Ball-Hook swivels, other swivels i seen on them were Chainlink and U-bolt, But the all metal ball-hook is a more pure swivel to where you can hit from all sides and angles of the bag without having the limitations of the chainlink or the u-bolt swivel, Plus what other people don't realize and from years of my experience of hitting on the chainlink & u-bolt (Side Bar/i hit on the chainlink for alot of years and the u-bolt for a short time before i just threw the u-bolt in the garage can) the chainlink would kink up when i would hit with a true boxing style that included boxing the bag with combinations (not circle hammer fist) So whenever i threw a straight punch then to a hook punch, the chainlink couldn't handle that fast extreme change of angles so it was frustrating, and that is because of the Mechanical design of the swivel, Also the bag only hit on two panels of the bag, the front and back, Wearing out the bag prematurely, The other panels of the bag never hit the drum, With the metal ball-hook you can hit from all sides and angles of the bag with no problem plus all the bags panels would hit the drum, Making the bag last longer.

[penina]

BTW those platforms back in the day had 3 foot drums and those guys would hit on big bags like the one i'm selling in these pictures, it's a shame that people don't realize the benefits of hitting on big bags, There was a particular person on YouTube saying that you can't do bible bagging on big bags, That guy doesn't know what he was talking about, Where do you think bible bagging came from, it came from a time period where they had Fancy baggers during the vaudeville days.

Very cool, thanks for all this info! I'd like to set it up as authentically as possible. A big bag sounds like it would be fun.

[ventanakaz]

I've never seen any but this was a classic.....

https://speedbagforum.com/forums/forum/history/5951-harry-and-harriet-seeback-1926

Nice, all good information and pictures, Love it. There was a time period when i wasn't on the forum because when paranday posted the photos and with what you guys posted, i sure would've make a comment or two, Those vaudeville days were magical lots of unbelievable talent from the men and women of that time

[Speedbag]

Harry Seeback was Amazing, i can't remember was there any films on him Bagging ?

I've never seen any but this was a classic.....

https://speedbagforum.com/forums/forum/history/5951-harry-and-harriet-seeback-1926

[ventanakaz]

Exactly! Today's "Bible Stylers" were yesteryears "Fancy Baggers"


SpeedBagHistory

https://speedbagcentral.com/speed-bag-history/

The Best Book on Bag Punching by Harry Seeback (1913)

https://books.google.com/books?id=IyoxAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA54&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

1904

https://archive.org/details/bagpunchingforhe00dunc/page/26/mode/2up

1913

https://archive.org/details/boxinghowtotrai00aust/page/120/mode/2up

We haven't invented any new moves.... just resurrected them.

Harry Seeback was Amazing, i can't remember was there any films on him Bagging ?

[Speedbag]

BTW those platforms back in the day had 3 foot drums and those guys would hit on big bags like the one i'm selling in these pictures, it's a shame that people don't realize the benefits of hitting on big bags, There was a particular person on YouTube saying that you can't do bible bagging on big bags, That guy doesn't know what he was talking about, Where do you think bible bagging came from, it came from a time period where they hand Fancy baggers in vaudeville days....

Exactly! Today's "Bible Stylers" were yesteryears "Fancy Baggers"


SpeedBagHistory

https://speedbagcentral.com/speed-bag-history/

The Best Book on Bag Punching by Harry Seeback (1913)

https://books.google.com/books?id=IyoxAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA54&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

1904

https://archive.org/details/bagpunchingforhe00dunc/page/26/mode/2up

1913

https://archive.org/details/boxinghowtotrai00aust/page/120/mode/2up

We haven't invented any new moves.... just resurrected them.

[dad]

What a wonderful education, thank you so much https://speedbagforum.com/forums/member/1771-ventanakaz That was cool

[ventanakaz]

Would this be an appropriate swivel for a Narragansett platform? If so, I might be interested in buying one. They look great

BTW those platforms back in the day had 3 foot drums and those guys would hit on big bags like the one i'm selling in these pictures, it's a shame that people don't realize the benefits of hitting on big bags, There was a particular person on YouTube saying that you can't do bible bagging on big bags, That guy doesn't know what he was talking about, Where do you think bible bagging came from, it came from a time period where they had Fancy baggers during the vaudeville days.

[ventanakaz]

Swivel from the 1916 Narragansett catalog. The two pictures below are a similar swivel if not the same rope swivel on a Medart Platform, i can't remember where i found the picture of the guy hitting on the Medart platform but i think he was a Physician.

[ventanakaz]

They had their own line of swivels. Originally similar to the Nichols rope swivel, and later a ball and hook style. You will find just about any make of swivel on the surviving platforms

I have a picture of the original swivel from the 1916 Narragansett catalog, it's obvious that you can't find these because people probably took these off to put other swivels on that they were using at the time, that's to bad that the original swivel was lost in time.

[ventanakaz]

Would this be an appropriate swivel for a Narragansett platform? If so, I might be interested in buying one. They look great

Yah these will work, the new york everlast swivels are getting harder to come by as time goes by, i only have so many of these before they're gone, These are modified by me with my ball-hook assemblies put inside them, it usually takes me about 4 days to get the assemblies fabricated, meaning i stand over my work bench for hours on end.