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    ventanakaz
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    Thought I ought to mention this since I finally got a scale, The weight between the same size bladders of the Enkay and Title Advanced. The Enkay is 67 grams, The Title Advanced is 84 grams, Of course that will vary with the same bladders of the same company.

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  • ventanakaz
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    This is my conclusion to the Title Advanced bladders, Will I be buying more, NO. I feel these bladders will probably benefit speed bags that feel to lightweight for your liking, The size that I feel will benefit the best from these bladders would be 4x6, 4x7, 5x7, 5x8, and maybe the 6x9s if they are more on the small size. (EDIT) I forgot to mention that even though the Title Advanced bladders have a Butyl rubber air nipple they don't hold air as good as the Enkay bladders.
    ventanakaz
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    Last edited by ventanakaz; 09-18-2021, 08:10 PM.

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  • ventanakaz
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    Originally posted by ventanakaz View Post
    More pictures for comparison, side by side. The Title Advanced bladders don't expand at the top like the Enkay bladders do, They should've shaped them the same as the Enkay bladders, Look at the size comparison, You can see the Large Advanced is practically the same size as the Enkay Medium (#4) and the Medium Advanced is practically the same size as the Enkay Small (#2) I feel the Advanced Medium and Small sizes would work best in Small and Extra Small bags if you wanted to add that extra weight in those bags that feel like your hitting air, The big plus is the snap-in air nipples, You don't need to glue these bladders in. I'm still doing some testing with my 6x9 Gil speed bag, So far the Advanced large feels better in it than the original bladder that the bag came with, My next test will be to see how the Enkay Medium feels in the Gil bag in comparison to the Advanced large that's in it now but the bag still doesn't feel like the leather is broken-in yet. I'm gonna put more time on the bag before i install the Enkay in it.
    Both the Enkay Medium bladder and the Title Advanced Large bladder work good in the 6x9 Gil speed bag, I prefer the Advanced bladder in this speed bag plus my 4 inch round patch of leather added for the extra weight.

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  • ventanakaz
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    More pictures for comparison, side by side. The Title Advanced bladders don't expand at the top like the Enkay bladders do, They should've shaped them the same as the Enkay bladders, Look at the size comparison, You can see the Large Advanced is practically the same size as the Enkay Medium (#4) and the Medium Advanced is practically the same size as the Enkay Small (#2) I feel the Advanced Medium and Small sizes would work best in Small and Extra Small bags if you wanted to add that extra weight in those bags that feel like your hitting air, The big plus is the snap-in air nipples, You don't need to glue these bladders in. I'm still doing some testing with my 6x9 Gil speed bag, So far the Advanced large feels better in it than the original bladder that the bag came with, My next test will be to see how the Enkay Medium feels in the Gil bag in comparison to the Advanced large that's in it now but the bag still doesn't feel like the leather is broken-in yet. I'm gonna put more time on the bag before i install the Enkay in it.
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  • ventanakaz
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    I did some bladder swapping between bags and bladders, I have to first point out that the 6x9 necalli boxing bag you see in the photo hits fine with the stock bladder but the leather is very thin and the bag is very light, I would say the bag's shape is in between the shape of a tear drop bag and banana bag (i hate the shape of banana bags) So i tried the three different bladders, stock bladder (like the Cleto bladders) The large Title advanced bladder and the Enkay medium #4 bladder with my 4 inch round leather patch glued to the enkay bladder for added weight, The title advanced bladder made the bag feel funny, Like I had less control of the bag and it had a tendency to go where I didn't want it to go, Put the Enkay bladder with leather patch and Bingo, it gave the weight and stability i wanted. Enkay was the Winner.
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  • ventanakaz
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    Originally posted by Dutchman View Post

    Which is about 90% of the bags I own.....
    I just ordered more bladders, Enkay #4 medium and Title Advanced large, I'm gonna try out both bladders in my Gil 6x9 bag and see which one feels better, I'll report back once I get the bladders in the mail.

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  • ventanakaz
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    Originally posted by Dutchman View Post

    Which is about 90% of the bags I own.....
    I'll have to say that the Advanced bladders missed the mark when it came to sizing and shape of the bladder, The Advanced bladders should've had the same shape and size of the enkay bladders, The plus of the bladders are the snap in air nipples and the bladders are very noticeably thicker and weigh more than the same size enkay bladder, Remember the advanced large are not large, they are medium and because these are thicker, it seems more critical that they are installed correctly in the bag, especially if the leather is thin on the speed bag, if not installed correctly on a thin leathered bag it will give the bag an oblong shape, if that happens on the first Initial install of the bladder, it is an easy fix. Take some air out of the bladder and turn your bladder about ninety degrees (less or more) to get the bag to round out.

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  • Dutchman
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    Originally posted by ventanakaz View Post
    I just put the Title Advanced large bladder in a 6x9 speed bag and just as I suspected, There is no way the large advanced bladder will work in any speed bag taller than 9 inches, Not measuring the loop
    Which is about 90% of the bags I own.....

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  • ventanakaz
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    I just put the Title Advanced large bladder in a 6x9 speed bag and just as I suspected, There is no way the large advanced bladder will work in any speed bag taller than 9 inches, Not measuring the loop

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  • ventanakaz
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    The Title Advanced Small bladders I'll never use because I'll never buy or hit on an xxs speed bag again, That size bag just doesn't benefit me, if your in the USA and want these bladders let me know, They won't work on a 5x8, They just won't fill in the neck area of that size bag, These will probably fit 4x6 bags from my measurements of the bladder. (Edit) You don't need to glue in these bladders, They snap in like the everlast bladders
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    Last edited by ventanakaz; 08-02-2021, 04:23 PM.

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  • ventanakaz
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    So I measured my Ringside Heritage bag and it's more like a 5x7 not 5x8 Some bags are not the size that's advertised, if this bag was 8 inches tall than the advanced medium bladder wouldn't fill in the neck of the bag, it did give it more mass and as for speed it feels the same but with more weight to the bag, it's hard to judge the speed without having two of the exact same bags with different bladders in them (but it's definitely not slower) I do like that it did add the mass to the bag and is still a fast bag, Here's some information that I think nobody realizes, When installing a latex bladder in the bags that have five leather panels like this one and the everlast 4200 and others, These bags have a tendency to be Oblong shaped, It is very important that you install your bladder the right way, The bladders come to you flat shaped and have a fold on both sides the Opposite expands farther and if installed the right way, It Will round out an oblong shaped bag, How do I know this, Because when I used to hit on the 4200s when I was a teenager, Some bags were oblong shaped when I filled them up, So what I did was take the air outta the plastic bladders that these bags came with and twisted the bladder 90 degrees, The plastic bladders would never fill with air in a round shape because of the seams on the bladders, So if installed the wrong way at the factory then a bag that has a tendency to be oblong shaped, The bladder would make it worse, On another note, The Butyl rubber bladder that this Heritage bag came with really surprised me, all the butyl rubber bladders that I took outta bags didn't have the elasticity that the latex bladders did, Well this one did, No wonder the stock bag has the speed it had. As for the small title advanced bladder, I wouldn't install it in anything bigger than a 4x6 or smaller, So measure the length of your bag before you choose what bladder you stick in it. Take a good look at my pictures
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    Last edited by ventanakaz; 08-02-2021, 03:23 PM.

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  • ventanakaz
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    More pictures of the medium and small Title Advanced bladders as you can see in the pictures the medium and small are very close in size, I'm gonna try the medium bladder in the Ringside Heritage speed bag although the bag says medium on it, it's not. It's a 5x8 so it's a small bag, Ringside has it advertised as 5" The bag is a great speed bag and is fast as is but I've been trying to get the feel that the everlast Bumblebee had, I already added a four inch round patch of leather to the bottom inside of the bag now I'm gonna try the advanced to it since these bladders have more girth to them.
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  • ventanakaz
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    Originally posted by ventanakaz View Post
    Had to punch new lacing holes in the bag to cinch it up at the top because the bladder didn't fill in the top of this bag. To be fair this is a modified bag and is wider at the top, Hence the new lacing holes i punched in, Used the title Advanced large bladder.
    So a couple of days ago I took the title large advanced bladder out of my modified Sears 1412 bag because of the shape of these advanced bladders, they are alot shorter than the enkay bladders and won't fill in the neck area of this bag, Since the advanced bladder didn't expand into the neck of the bag, it made the bag flop around at the neck with no support of the advanced bladder, I swapped it out for an Enkay #5 large bladder and what a difference, The Enkay bladder filled the whole bag from top to bottom, As I mentioned before I wouldn't recommend installing the large title advanced bladder into anything bigger than a 6x9 bag, These Advanced bladders are just to short and the way the top of the bladders are rounded off and don't come to a point like the enkay bladders do, it makes them hard to fill in the top of speed bags, I consider the title large advanced bladders to be more of a size medium/small.

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  • ventanakaz
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    Originally posted by Dutchman View Post
    Thanks for the heads up about the large bladders. I'm probably going to try the Title large butyl DEB bladders for my two 4205's. They both have the Everlast plastic bladders which are not staying inflated worth a hoot anymore. I've used one of these in my Reach bag which originally had a neck inflation tube under the laces.It has proven to work well, just about fills the entire bag, other than about the top couple of inches at the top
    For all four of the 4205s that I had, I always used either the everlast large latex bladder or the enkay #5 large bladder, Of course the enkay held air better than the everlast, I only have one 4205 now and it has an enkay bladder in it, I just checked it and it has held air really good despite me not hitting on it for awhile, I just needed to add a few puffs of air to fill it back up, The bladder actually fills the neck on these bags really good.

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  • Dutchman
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    Thanks for the heads up about the large bladders. I'm probably going to try the Title large butyl DEB bladders for my two 4205's. They both have the Everlast plastic bladders which are not staying inflated worth a hoot anymore. I've used one of these in my Reach bag which originally had a neck inflation tube under the laces.It has proven to work well, just about fills the entire bag, other than about the top couple of inches at the top

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