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[Speedbag]

First day landing it without a FCP in between. This is a fun little combination, I look forward to polishing it up and adding it to my arsenal.

OK, you're getting there. Keep the lead hand UP. so when your left or right fist leads the SDP and goes to the side, KEEP IT UP.

I see you're dropping them down. Here are a few screen grabs, and you do it pretty consistently. Sure you are pulling if off, But if you watch that side fist going "upwards" to bag it looks like it's more of a pinwheel motion, not straight movements. Yes this is nit picky but IMO keeping them up will add speed and control over time, and will reduce the inch or more of wasted movement going down and back up. Just my Opinion.

[LouisvilleBagr]

Looks and sounds Good. NOW, just eliminate that FCP in the middle From SDP ' ' FCP ' ' ' SDP to SDP ' ' SDP. (*key is keep moving both fists together at same time. )

First day landing it without a FCP in between. This is a fun little combination, I look forward to polishing it up and adding it to my arsenal.

[Speedbag]

I understand....I devoted some practice time to the SDP' 'SDP this afternoon. I do notice my SSP is still more of RSP.

Looks and sounds Good. NOW, just eliminate that FCP in the middle From SDP ' ' FCP ' ' ' SDP to SDP ' ' SDP. (*key is keep moving both fists together at same time. )

[LouisvilleBagr]

That is kinda what I was aiming to say. In the latest video you are setting yourself up to a great position but a double punch with both fists, be it side to side, or diagonal to side(same as side to side as Alan explained) wasn't there yet. Definitely working towards that end though as you were certainly setting up your lead fists. It took me quite awhile to understand what is going on with the side double and side to side double punches.... and then an even longer time to feel comfortable doing it and then the ah ha moment hits and when you got it you think now why did I over-think that into being too hard. But that is what makes the journey so great.

I understand....I devoted some practice time to the SDP' 'SDP this afternoon. I do notice my SSP is still more of RSP.

[Cazbag]

That is kinda what I was aiming to say. In the latest video you are setting yourself up to a great position but a double punch with both fists, be it side to side, or diagonal to side(same as side to side as Alan explained) wasn't there yet. Definitely working towards that end though as you were certainly setting up your lead fists. It took me quite awhile to understand what is going on with the side double and side to side double punches.... and then an even longer time to feel comfortable doing it and then the ah ha moment hits and when you got it you think now why did I over-think that into being too hard. But that is what makes the journey so great.

[Speedbag]

Cant thank you enough. If you have a video up, I've watched it. A couple weeks ago I watched the first one 'Speed Bag SDP combinations' at least 20 times. I still couldn't land that side punch. What made it click for me was in this thread you suggested that the FCP and the SSP be thrown at the same time.

Yes they are thrown at the same time.

[LouisvilleBagr]

You are doing "some sort of Double Punch". You are doing a few FCP's and then a SIDE double punch (SDP) with your lead fist hitting FCP and second fist hitting SSP. they create the SDP.

NO you don't need another punch to make that a double punch, it already is. "DOUBLE" means two fists or parts. "TRIPLE strikes" have 3 parts, adding and elbow to both fists.

* After the SSP hits and comes back on two rebounds as a FCP, you could also join the "other fist from the side" to create another SDP. So you would had SDP ' ' SDP

Check out this video. The whole video may be helpful, but particularly at about 4:25 when it focuses more on SDP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F7ErYaMX-I&t=1s

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That pretty typical, and actually not such a big deal. There is little different between the "normal" SSP and RSP and they can almost always be substituted. Even with your fist hanging out to the side, when it makes contact it is really close to the side-reverse borderline. A lot of the time it is difficult to tell if someone "fast" is doing Side or Reverse punching in a combination, and they might not actually know either. With experience you can purposely manipulate the fist contact point around the side of the bag to get more of a "side to side" rebound for some combo.

I kind of talk about that in this video at 4:50 (part of a more difficult combination) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCt7uA-gYJM&t=4s

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Cant thank you enough. If you have a video up, I've watched it. A couple weeks ago I watched the first one 'Speed Bag SDP combinations' at least 20 times. I still couldn't land that side punch. What made it click for me was in this thread you suggested that the FCP and the SSP be thrown at the same time.

[Speedbag]

Thanks Caz, I really appreciate the feedback. I feel like I'm doing some sort of double punch here, or maybe I'm not doing it right yet? I'm catching it with a FCP, then a SSP on one rebound. Do I need to add a punch in there somewhere to make it a double punch?

Before practicing this movement, in previous practice clips, I was doing a SDP with both hands coming from the R ( L-R ). At my skill level it is difficult for me to link a combination to that.

You are doing "some sort of Double Punch". You are doing a few FCP's and then a SIDE double punch (SDP) with your lead fist hitting FCP and second fist hitting SSP. they create the SDP.

NO you don't need another punch to make that a double punch, it already is. "DOUBLE" means two fists or parts. "TRIPLE strikes" have 3 parts, adding and elbow to both fists.

* After the SSP hits and comes back on two rebounds as a FCP, you could also join the "other fist from the side" to create another SDP. So you would had SDP ' ' SDP

Check out this video. The whole video may be helpful, but particularly at about 4:25 when it focuses more on SDP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F7ErYaMX-I&t=1s

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After watching again I would say your side single punch is really right on (ssp) coming off of reverse punch (rsp) , not really cranked up as previously stated. I dont think there was a side double punch there (sdp). Irregardless you are on task and ahead of the game for your length of time in!

That pretty typical, and actually not such a big deal. There is little different between the "normal" SSP and RSP and they can almost always be substituted. Even with your fist hanging out to the side, when it makes contact it is really close to the side-reverse borderline. A lot of the time it is difficult to tell if someone "fast" is doing Side or Reverse punching in a combination, and they might not actually know either. With experience you can purposely manipulate the fist contact point around the side of the bag to get more of a "side to side" rebound for some combo.

I kind of talk about that in this video at 4:50 (part of a more difficult combination) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCt7uA-gYJM&t=4s

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[LouisvilleBagr]

Thanks Caz, I really appreciate the feedback. I feel like I'm doing some sort of double punch here, or maybe I'm not doing it right yet? I'm catching it with a FCP, then a SSP on one rebound. Do I need to add a punch in there somewhere to make it a double punch?

Before practicing this movement, in previous practice clips, I was doing a SDP with both hands coming from the R ( L-R ). At my skill level it is difficult for me to link a combination to that.

[Cazbag]

After watching again I would say your side single punch is really right on (ssp) coming off of reverse punch , not really cranked up as previously stated. I dont think there was a side double punch there (sdp). Irregardless you are on task and ahead of the game for your length of time in!

[Cazbag]

You have the traditional need to crank it up a notch coming back in but at the same time you are bringing it back under control. Very impressive and above par! Keep the vids coming it's a joy to watch

[LouisvilleBagr]

I hope it works!....Go slow, this is not a race. Suddenly, sometime, it will all make sense....

Im starting to get the feeling. I see now where I was going wrong attempting to link in the SDP with both hands coming from the same side. I feel how the ending hand position after starting with the FCP will make this easier to link in with other combinations and techniques.

[Speedbag]

Thank you, sir. With the little cheat sheet I just made from those suggestions and the Bible, of course, I hope to be linking in more side combinations very soon.

I hope it works!....Go slow, this is not a race. Suddenly, sometime, it will all make sense....

[LouisvilleBagr]

Thank you, sir. With the little cheat sheet I just made from those suggestions and the Bible, of course, I hope to be linking in more side combinations very soon.

[Speedbag]

So you want to add "Side" combinations, as in Side Single Punch (SSP) Side Double Punch (SDP) and maybe Side-Triple Elbow Strike (S-TES). These are the 3 most common but there are 3 more... The Reverse-Side Double Punch (R-SDP), the Side-Reverse Double Punch (S-RDP) [ the hardest, IMO] and the Hook Punch. Hook is like a Front Straight Punch (FSP) hitting the side of the bag instead of front.

OK, the one thing that 5 of these 6 have in common is the Side Single Punch (SSP), which is possible if you let one of your fists drift out from the home position to the side of the bag. Actually that is only about 3 or 4 inches and when you swing back at yourself, as like a Reverse Single Punch (RSP) you will hit the side panels of the bag on the same area of index finger and thumb as the RSP. They are actually almost the same, but the RSP hits the "back" panels and the Side hits the side. duh. Biggest issues is the side will alter the rebound angles. But you'll get use to that.

To start. do some simple Front Circle Punching *FCP) with your non-dominant hand as have you dominant hand drifted out to the side a bit. Then, throw the FCP and as it hits the bag, move your side fist back to your chin. As you do this the fist will hit the rebounding bag (after one rebound) on the side panel. After your dominant hand hits the side panel the bag should rebound 2 and the same hand the hit the side will make a quick circle back to the bag and hit after two rebounds. Aha! that lead fist, (non-dominant) hand doing the FCP hit the bag and drifted out to the side as you SSP was connecting, so now, after your SSP hits and returns after 2 rebounds - NOTE: your hands have basically changed position. now you dominant is in front doing FCP and your non-dominant is out to the side. again, hit two or three FCP's,...then FCP ' SSP. It happens very fast and feels like you throw them at the same time. I actually teach it that way "throw both fists at same time" because the side fist is usually out a bit further from the bag than the front fist, and will have to cover the extra distance. The FCP ' SSP contact creates "The Side Double Punch SDP".

IF I was writing the Speed Bag Bible again, i would change the "Side Double Punch" name and call it the Front-Side Double Punch for the lead fist hits the front and second fist hits the side of the bag. Somewhere while writing I created... or "found" there is also a Reverse-Side Double Punch (R-SDP), where the reverse single punch connects and the fist out to the side can connect easily after one rebound. Then I found if I have a fist hanging out behind the bag in RSP position, and hit SSP's, that Reverse fist can follow easily after one rebound..SOOOoo. I had to call that the Side-Reverse Double Punch (S-RDP). So I was very specific on the lead and second fist placement in all the Side punches except the SDP which should more correctly be the F-SDP. (the reason I did not change SDP to F-SDP is because I already have over 80 practice exercises written in the book using SDP and changing them all would have cause major problems...so I left it SDP) Now you know . just remember, the lead fist hits the front of the bag!

So, now practice the Reverse-Side Double Punch (R-SDP). First start with your non-dominant hand behind the bag doing RSP's. and your dominant hand out to the side of bag. Again, just like from the front, as the lead fist (RSP) connects, move the Side fist into the bag. Air punch this as your read, and notice when you do this, the hand will once again change position automatically. that side fist that hit will come back now after 3 rebounds from the side-reverse portion of the bag, and the fist that his RSP has moved out to the side. so it hits, the back of bag and goes to the side.
the side fist hits the side of bag and goes to back.

( Notice when you did the SDP, the side fist returns to the front on "2" rebounds. When you do the R-SDP, the side fist returns to lead from behind on "3" rebounds. This is due to rules of rhythm. A side punch is very much like a reverse punch and comes from basically the same direction. so it requires and ODD number of rebounds "3". A side single punch joins to the front on "2" rebounds. You will get use to this after a while and not even think about it. but it is important to know. )

OK, stay with me, we're almost done. You can also do a R-SDP, after a single or double fist pass through. From a single fist pass thru, as that linking fist goes to hit the RSP, have the other fist drift out to side of bag, So you could link the second fist of a Front Double Punch thru to do a RSP, and let that lead fist drift to the side of bag, to come back as the side fist of a R-SDP.

that would make: FDP ' ' R-SDP (R-L ' ' L-R) note the "L" hit the front of bag as second fist of FDP, the leads as the Reverse single. The lead fist R drifted out to side as the Side punch of the R-SDP . You can also link the lead fist thru to lead the R-SDP. It doesn't matter.

AND, you can also link BOTH fists thru and let the second fist drift out to the side. So, instead of doing FDP ' ' RDP, your doing FDP ' ' R-SDP. In either event, your hands will end up in the same place, back under your chin....

AS usually, there are a LOT more possibilities. But that's enough for now.. (hint: go from SDP to R-SDP.....)