Originally posted by ashe
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my first video...
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[QUOTE=ashe;5865]no, no wing chun. but the majority of chines martial arts all incorporate some kind of sticky hand training.
a common saying in cma is "fighting is up close, like kissing someone on the mouth". and good in fighting, incorporates locks, throws, kicks and strikes of all kinds, which need to be trained up close (i.e. sticky hand).
that's why most cma guys suck donkey hoo-ha when it comes time to actually apply their art.
a lot of the good sticky hand stuff has been lost, and americanized cma all train way too far out.
QUOTE] I finally checked out some of the media at fallingleaves.com, and I find I Liq Chuan VERY INTERESTING! I hope you don't mind me saying that I see some similarities with Wing Chun in this system. Mainly the close quarters fighting and the sticky hand training. I also like how I Liq Chaun could handle multiple attackers.I still practice the basics of Wing Chun. No matter what I attempt to learn, I always gravitate back to this system.Maybe its my own bias,Who knows? I'm confused by "cma guys" What do mean by that? I'm just not familiar with the term.
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Originally posted by Speedbag View PostI'd love to learn those sticky hands techniques myself. I hope Ashe figures a way to use the speed bag in that regard and passes it on.
here's a little clip of my Sifu from a recent workshop in Russia...
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no, no wing chun. but the majority of chines martial arts all incorporate some kind of sticky hand training.
a common saying in cma is "fighting is up close, like kissing someone on the mouth". and good in fighting, incorporates locks, throws, kicks and strikes of all kinds, which need to be trained up close (i.e. sticky hand).
that's why most cma guys suck donkey hoo-ha when it comes time to actually apply their art.
a lot of the good sticky hand stuff has been lost, and americanized cma all train way too far out.
alan, i'm working on an article for my blog right now, discussing the use of the x2 end bag (my clip hasn't gone over well with some of my cma peers, "that's just boxing"... ). i'd like to forward it to you before i list is publicly to get some feed back from you.
should be done by sunday or monday, and that'll maybe show you what page i'm on and how i'm trying to approach the training.
but as far as directly applying sticky hand to the speed bag, i don't really think it's possible, since most of the mechanics and applications of sticky hand rely on the structure of the human body (both your own and opponents).
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Originally posted by metaldad View Postyour vid looks pretty cool, I see you've mentioned using sticky hands twice.Does your method incorporate Wing Chun? I glanced at the Falling Leaves Site and don't remember seeing if Wing Chun was part of the curriculum.That's pretty cool if it is. If I ever get my homemade dummy mounted, I can start working some those principles myself
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Originally posted by ashe View Post
i have no idea what you're talking about!
thanks alan!
actually i don't think i'm fast enough to get in two elbow strikes like that. what you're probably seeing is just me trying to get some "contact" with the bag on the rebound after my first elbow strike. the idea being to get some contact, and then flow with my opponent so i can use the sticky hand to control them and prevent them from counter striking.
overall, i'm still trying to figure out how to adapt the thing to our sticky hand method and create drills that will work on different qualities.
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ah, cool, i see what you mean now.
i guess i need to pick up your speedbag bible!
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Originally posted by ashe View Post
i have no idea what you're talking about!
thanks alan!
actually i don't think i'm fast enough to get in two elbow strikes like that. what you're probably seeing is just me trying to get some "contact" with the bag on the rebound after my first elbow strike.......
this particular picture shows an inward "Triple" Elbow Striked (I-TES) because three parts hit the bag, in a Fist-Fist-Elbow order. but look at the last two pictures on the right. The right Front Straight Punch (FSP) connects, followed by the Inward Elbow Strike after 1 rebound. it looked like you did that in your video, but perhaps not. I do it a lot on my reflex bag
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i have no idea what you're talking about!
thanks alan!
actually i don't think i'm fast enough to get in two elbow strikes like that. what you're probably seeing is just me trying to get some "contact" with the bag on the rebound after my first elbow strike. the idea being to get some contact, and then flow with my opponent so i can use the sticky hand to control them and prevent them from counter striking.
since i've only been working with the x2 end bag since the beginning of summer, i'm still not happy with how limitedly i'm using this tool.
for instance (it's hard to see, but) i raise my knee (mostly the right) to try and "counter" the lower end of the bag. while i'm improving (speed is getting better, i can actually hit the bag now) my hips are still a bit tight and i'm mostly right leg dominant.
also, you don't see me catch the bag here and "throw" it, which is something i'm working on.
overall, i'm still trying to figure out how to adapt the thing to our sticky hand method and create drills that will work on different qualities.
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Nice inward elbow strikes with the right arm. Kinda sneaks in there once in a while. Looks like you did a few Inward "Double Elbow Strikes" also, which to me means leading with the straight punch fist followed by the inward elbow of the same arm (your right arm in this video). I call it "double" because two parts hit the bag within the movement.
Nice work.
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