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  • Ginger
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    Just wanted to update on this thread. Thrasher uses a much stronger resin now and does not have the issues made on that old video I posted above. After using the firstlaw swivel for a while now I can say there are big time speed issues on the smaller bags. The title lighting bag I have that is a 4x7 moves way too slow on it. Can't keep the bag fast with it. I'll have to get an evo once my skill progress to using the smaller bags.

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  • Giovanni20
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    Originally posted by Ginger View Post
    Agree 100% I think using the bigger heavier bags for stamina and strength would likely help with improving endurance bagging on the smaller bags. But I'm big on the fitness as well as fun aspect and well rounded practice would use the tiny bags to max out speed and accuracy but would use larger bags to improve strength and endurance. I also agree that to learn new combinations it does make sense to use the bigger bags to slow things down and create bigger targets.

    I have a 5x7 and 6x9 currently. In the mail I have a 5x8, 7x10 and 8x11 coming. My platform might be too small for anything above a 8x11. Will have to wait and see and try it out. I can kind of approach it from different angles to avoid hitting the wall but bagging from all directions (bible style) is difficult with a small 24 inch platform close to the wall with a large bag.


    I choose the big bags always

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  • Giovanni20
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    Originally posted by ventanakaz View Post
    So this is my opinion, I would never use a drill to install any swivel on a wood platform, That's just lame. Hand tool is all you need, That being said you can strip out the wood even with a hand screw driver
    With washer and back nuts it's best of work done

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  • Ginger
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    Agree 100% I think using the bigger heavier bags for stamina and strength would likely help with improving endurance bagging on the smaller bags. But I'm big on the fitness as well as fun aspect and well rounded practice would use the tiny bags to max out speed and accuracy but would use larger bags to improve strength and endurance. I also agree that to learn new combinations it does make sense to use the bigger bags to slow things down and create bigger targets.

    I have a 5x7 and 6x9 currently. In the mail I have a 5x8, 7x10 and 8x11 coming. My platform might be too small for anything above a 8x11. Will have to wait and see and try it out. I can kind of approach it from different angles to avoid hitting the wall but bagging from all directions (bible style) is difficult with a small 24 inch platform close to the wall with a large bag.

    Originally posted by ventanakaz View Post

    The benefits of having a big board is having the capability to hit the big vintage bags of old that the old timers used to hit on back in the day, You get to hit on any size bag and you get the benefits of the feel of how each bag has its own characteristics, You also get to build your strength with the bigger bags, At first you might get frustrated because some of the bigger bags are slower than others but you need to give it time, Once your power has built up from punching the big bags, you will enjoy it more, The small light bags have their limits, So you can think of it this way, If you can get the big bags to move fast than what can you do with the smaller bags, Also if you find a big bag that isn't to heavy and has soft leather, I will guarantee you will pick up new hitting combinations easier, Than go down to a medium size bag, than the small bags.

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  • ventanakaz
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    Originally posted by Ginger View Post
    I came across this 3 layer one that is similar in width to my butcher block in thickness. I couldn't find the 5 layer one anywhere poking around. But the 3 foot wide room of that platform you made is glorious! My tiny 24 inch platform I always feel like I'm going to punch the wall bracket... Some day if I get good at this speed bag thing I might have to try and do something custom.

    https://speedbagforum.com/forums/fil...fetch?id=93924

    The benefits of having a big board is having the capability to hit the big vintage bags of old that the old timers used to hit on back in the day, You get to hit on any size bag and you get the benefits of the feel of how each bag has its own characteristics, You also get to build your strength with the bigger bags, At first you might get frustrated because some of the bigger bags are slower than others but you need to give it time, Once your power has built up from punching the big bags, you will enjoy it more, The small light bags have their limits, So you can think of it this way, If you can get the big bags to move fast than what can you do with the smaller bags, Also if you find a big bag that isn't to heavy and has soft leather, I will guarantee you will pick up new hitting combinations easier, Than go down to a medium size bag, than the small bags.

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  • Ginger
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    I came across this 3 layer one that is similar in width to my butcher block in thickness. I couldn't find the 5 layer one anywhere poking around. But the 3 foot wide room of that platform you made is glorious! My tiny 24 inch platform I always feel like I'm going to punch the wall bracket... Some day if I get good at this speed bag thing I might have to try and do something custom.

    https://speedbagforum.com/forums/fil...fetch?id=93924

    Originally posted by ventanakaz View Post

    Yeah it on here somewhere, it's a 3 foot Octagon shape, I plan on building a 4 or 5 foot Octagon shaped platform for the my old school Ball-rope swivels, I think I have a video of that too somewhere on here.

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  • ventanakaz
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    Originally posted by Ginger View Post
    Do you have pictures of your 5 board setup? Sounds beefy and custom. Love to see it.


    If you go to my profile and look up my media pictures you'll find a bottom view of my 3 foot Octagon platform

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  • ventanakaz
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    Originally posted by Ginger View Post
    Do you have pictures of your 5 board setup? Sounds beefy and custom. Love to see it.


    Yeah it on here somewhere, it's a 3 foot Octagon shape, I plan on building a 4 or 5 foot Octagon shaped platform for the my old school Ball-rope swivels, I think I have a video of that too somewhere on here.

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  • Ginger
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    Do you have pictures of your 5 board setup? Sounds beefy and custom. Love to see it.

    Originally posted by ventanakaz View Post

    That's a great idea, I don't know why I never thought to permanently recess the washers and nuts

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  • ventanakaz
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    Originally posted by Ginger View Post
    I could see that. You could recess the washers and nuts into the back no matter how thick your platform but if what you are doing works, then it works...


    That's a great idea, I don't know why I never thought to permanently recess the washers and nuts

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  • Ginger
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    I could see that. You could recess the washers and nuts into the back no matter how thick your platform but if what you are doing works, then it works...

    Originally posted by ventanakaz View Post
    I used to use the bolt all the way though too but when I got to the point of having five boards glued together it became a pita to change out swivels and I changed them out alot.

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  • ventanakaz
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    I used to use the bolt all the way though too but when I got to the point of having five boards glued together it became a pita to change out swivels and I changed them out alot.

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  • Ginger
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    I don't use screws into wood, I use bolts all the way through the wood with washer and lock nut backings to avoid any stripping chances. This is also the best setup if you plan to switch swivels as repeat in and out of screws will result in stripping of the wood eventually. But if using wood screws I would also say hand tightening is your best bet.

    But off topic, regardless of all of that the UHWM being a superior material for a cheaper price was the only point I was trying to make.

    Originally posted by ventanakaz View Post
    So this is my opinion, I would never use a drill to install any swivel on a wood platform, That's just lame. Hand tool is all you need, That being said you can strip out the wood even with a hand screw driver

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  • ventanakaz
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    So this is my opinion, I would never use a drill to install any swivel on a wood platform, That's just lame. Hand tool is all you need, That being said you can strip out the wood even with a hand screw driver

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  • Ginger
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    His words... not mine. "...put your drill on a low torque setting so that it doesn't shatter the plastic, or anything like that because you can, it's plastic." - Trasher -> https://youtu.be/oqM88HBtKUE?t=31

    To your point it's probably fine if you don't over torque the screws. I'm just pointing out this issue is not present with the firstlaw fitness swivel because it is not just plastic. With the superior material it won't be and issue and will also wear slower using the industrial material UHMW instead of plastic.

    QUOTE=ventanakaz;n126768]

    I've never had any of my plastic swivels from the difference members that have made them (and I had them all) ever crack at the mounting point to the drum, I even drilled out more material of Thrasher's swivel so that is not an issue.[/QUOTE]

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