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  • Speedbag
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    Originally posted by PIEFURZ View Post
    Ms D, nice post, very relaxing!!
    X2.

    Dee, a Very nice mix of combo's. I really like your split fist movements and keeping time dead on during your change over's. You're really start to own the move!

    There are some times in this song that some of the syncopated combinations could really follow the beat of the melody. (This may write a bit wierd but hang with me here...)

    listen to the meloday beat pattern at 1:01 - 1:06 and 2:06 - 2:12 and longer at 3:24 - 3:36



    It goes..... da-da-da-da-da, - da-da, - da-da, - Da... repeat. this pattern starts when the singers says "....lonely ROAD" ( I count the word "road" as being the 1 beat (down beat) of the next measure.

    Anyway, for the bag you can easily repeat the 5 beat, double beat, double beat, single beat pattern, using a Five punch punch fist roll, several double punches and a single fist at the end. Written in my speed bag format it would be:

    F-Roll x5 ' ' RDP ' ' FDP ' ' RSP ' ' ' ' ...repeat. notice the RSP is underlined. I did that to note that you must hit this punch a bit harder (accent it) to have the bag make 4 rebounds, allowing you to start the pattern over again from the front of the bag. If you don't hit it harder to add the fourth rebound you will have to start the pattern from behind the bag with a five punch Reverse Fist Roll, and it will much harder to time that correctly on three rebounds. Notice this pattern starts (First punch of F-Roll) solidly "on" beat 1 of the measure, and also ends with the Reverse Single Punch (RSP) directly ON beat 4 of that measure. Actually The first punch of the Roll starts on beat 1 and the fifth punch of the Roll hits directly on beat 2. The RSP lands on beat 4, so if you think about it 3 or the 4 the main beats in the measure also have a fist land on them, which is why you will hear this as being directly ON the beat, but there is some syncopation thrown in during the double punch sequence. no matter, just have every fist land the bag along with the bass part and your bag beat will be following that part of the melody. Pretty cool and easy to recognize here.

    For other parts of the song, you could actually repeat this some combo but make the 5 punch F-Roll a 7 punch roll because you will need a few pick up beats occassionally to carry over from the last measure. after the RSP, just return front on two rebounds and add 2 extra rolling punches. Punch 3 of that 7 punch roll will be on beat 1 of the next measure, starting the pattern again.

    It sounds complicated on paper but this is really not hard to do on the bag and you certainly have the punching skill with these combinations to do this.

    {Tip: To do F-ROll x5 ' ' RDP smoothly, look at a possible fist order of this combo: F-Roll = R-L-R-L-R ' ' RDP = R-L. notice the last fist of the Roll led the RDP behind the bag. (Right in this example). There are two secrets here. First, note the last two punches of the F-Roll are L-R, which could also be a Front Double Punch if you think about it. the second secret is to let the lead fist of that FDP "L" (fourth punch in the F-Roll) to simply hit and extend through the bag, and then let the Right hit and follow it. exactly like a FDP ' ' RDP, with three punches added on in before it. The easy way is just to extend the left, then right straight out, then right back for the RDP. the left leads, then the right which will automatically put them in the proper position to pull them back in a R-L order. the whole combo would be: R-L-R-L-R ' ' R-L ' ' L-R ' ' R...repeat, or add 2 punches R-L onto the F-Roll.

    Air Punch it slowly as you read. It will soon be easy
    Last edited by Speedbag; 08-26-2010, 11:35 PM.

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  • metaldad
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    Vegemite sandwich time!

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  • PIEFURZ
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    Nice bagging

    Ms D, nice post, very relaxing!!

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  • MsDeville
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    Originally posted by deano View Post
    you don't do things by halves Dee do you, you go all out. side punching, punch drumming, or anything else for that matter would be no problem for you. That is a top old song you punched to. There has been some controversy with that " down under " song, supposedly the tune was pinched from the kookaburra sits in the old gum tree, stuffed if I can hear any kookaburra tune in down under but the courts ruled that millions had to be paid back in royalties. Anyhow keep punching Dee, and keep the videos rolling. deano
    Yes, I had heard about that lawsuit... Crazy. I remember singing that Kookaburra song in grade school. Along with "Waltzing Matilda."

    You don't have to worry... I'm going to keep on punching. Between Alan's suggestions, and trying to figure out your punching style, I've got plenty to work on, too! I'm hoping to have a "variation" of your side punching in an upcoming video...

    But, for now, here's yet another video that I recorded yesterday. After all, there's been a full moon these past few nights and, for some reason, I must punch when the full moon is rising.

    Baloney. Who am I kidding.

    I simply MUST PUNCH. Period.

    In this video, I tried to remember to use my fists equally... I didn't do very well...
    ...I have a very strong-willed left fist!





    Last edited by MsDeville; 08-24-2010, 10:04 AM. Reason: Re-uploaded higher-quality "Lonely Road" video.

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  • MsDeville
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    Great Direction!

    Originally posted by Speedbag View Post
    Yes, BUT - the simple truth is: If you can pass a fist from front to back, you can also past a fist from front to side. It is actually a wrist move more than anything else, and just angles your fist into a side panel of the bag rather than a front panel. Think of a Front Fist Roll, which you do beautifully. Now, (do it slow as you read....). Normally as you are rolling, your left fist hits the bag, your right fist would roll under your left, come up in front of your face, just passing over your left. The key is your fists are in Front Circle Punch Position at this point.

    Your right fist can easily make a Side Single Punch (SSP) at the point that your left contacts the bag. as your left contacts the bag, instead of rolling the right Fist down and under toward your chin, try to angle your right fist into a Front Straight Punch (FSP) position (twist it a bit making the little finger come toward your wrist. This will angle the thumb side of your right fist toward the bag, allowing that area (same area as a Reverse Single Punch RSP) of the fist to contact the bag. With your wrist turned the way, make a slightly inward movement across your face and you should hit the Front-Side panel of the bag making it go slightly sideways. It is a very subtle move, twisting the hand a bit for the position, (this twist also allow the lead part of the belly of the bag to miss your fist) and let your movement contact the side panel area. If you do this from a Front Fist Roll, (F-Roll) you do not have to alter your Fist Rolling elbow position. With a bit of practice you will learn to anticipate doing this and just after your right fist hits the bag in the F-Roll you will begin to angle the continuing movement just a bit out to the side as you twist your fist position. moving the fist just a bit out to the side will also give the bag a bit more room to clear that fist and expose the side panel.

    1. So, now you are F-Rolling and simple angle the Right fist a bit out and twist the wrist, hitting the bag on the thumb side of your Right fist - and the bag goes sideways. Ugh oh, now what....


    2. no problem. the key here is what you want to do with the left fist. You will learn to anticipate this also. as the left fist hit in the roll, (2a) you can either float it out to the side, preparing the be the second fist of a Side Double Punch (SDP) or (2b) you could pass it under the bag to be the second fist of a Side-Reverse Double Punch (S-RDP).

    Written these would be:

    1. (R-L-R-L)..F-Roll ' (R)-SSP

    2a. (R-L-R-L)..F-Roll ' (R)-SSP ' ' (R-L)-SDP (* notice right fist hits side and returns after two rebounds to lead the SDP)

    2b. (R-L-R-L)..F-Roll ' (R)-SSP ' (R-L)-S-RDP (* notice left fist passed under the bag to the Reverse position)

    Using number 1: you can now easily transition from a F-Roll to SDP combinations.

    F-ROLL ' SSP ' SDP ' ' SDP.....
    (it really doesn't matter which fist goes to the SSP, it works with Right or Left)

    Wow! These are great instructions.

    Thanks for spelling it all out so clearly for me, Alan. Now, it's just a matter of getting focused and doing drills. This is a lot to take in... and I'm an old dog ... but a determined one! My first objective is to stop leading with my left so much. ... I must have balance. (I've noticed that my right arm isn't as trim as my left .) Not good.

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  • deano
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    you don't do things by halves Dee do you, you go all out. side punching, punch drumming, or anything else for that matter would be no problem for you. That is a top old song you punched to. There has been some controversy with that " down under " song, supposedly the tune was pinched from the kookaburra sits in the old gum tree, stuffed if I can hear any kookaburra tune in down under but the courts ruled that millions had to be paid back in royalties. Anyhow keep punching Dee, and keep the videos rolling. deano

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  • Speedbag
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    Originally posted by MsDeville View Post
    Thanks, Alan. I'll print out this list for quick reference. Regarding side punches... No, you probably won't see me doing any... I think you know how I feel about those.
    Yes, BUT - the simple truth is: If you can pass a fist from front to back, you can also past a fist from front to side. It is actually a wrist move more than anything else, and just angles your fist into a side panel of the bag rather than a front panel. Think of a Front Fist Roll, which you do beautifully. Now, (do it slow as you read....). Normally as you are rolling, your left fist hits the bag, your right fist would roll under your left, come up in front of your face, just passing over your left. The key is your fists are in Front Circle Punch Position at this point.

    You right fist can easily make a Side Single Punch (SSP) at the point that your left contacts the bag. as your left contacts the bag, instead of rolling the right Fist down and under toward your chin, try to angle your right fist into a Front Straight Punch (FSP) position (twist it a bit making the little finger come toward your wrist. This will angle the thumb side of your right fist toward the bag, allowing that area (same area as a Reverse Single Punch RSP) of the fist to contact the bag. With your wrist turned the way, make a slightly inward movement across your face and you should hit the Front-Side panel of the bag making it go slightly sideways. It is a very subtle move, twisting the hand a bit for the position, (this twist also allow the lead part of the belly of the bag to miss your fist) and let your movement contact the side panel area. If you do this from a Front Fist Roll, (F-Roll) you do not have to alter your Fist Rolling elbow position. With a bit of practice you will learn to anticipate doing this and just after your right fist hits the bag in the F-Roll you will begin to angle the continuing movement just a bit out to the side as you twist your fist position. moving the fist just a bit out to the side will also give the bag a bit more room to clear that fist and expose the side panel.

    1. So, now you are F-Rolling and simple angle the Right fist a bit out and twist the wrist, hitting the bag on the thumb side of your Right fist - and the bag goes sideways. Ugh oh, now what....


    2. no problem. the key here is what you want to do with the left fist. You will learn to anticipate this also. as the left fist hit in the roll, (2a) you can either float it out to the side, preparing to be the second fist of a Side Double Punch (SDP) or (2b) you could pass it under the bag to be the second fist of a Side-Reverse Double Punch (S-RDP).

    Written these would be:

    1. (R-L-R-L)..F-Roll ' (R)-SSP

    2a. (R-L-R-L)..F-Roll ' (R)-SSP ' ' (R-L)-SDP (* notice right fist hits side and returns after two rebounds to lead the SDP)

    2b. (R-L-R-L)..F-Roll ' (R)-SSP ' (R-L)-S-RDP (* notice left fist passed under the bag to the Reverse position)

    Using number 1: you can now easily transition from a F-Roll to SDP combinations.

    F-ROLL ' SSP ' SDP ' ' SDP.....
    (it really doesn't matter which fist goes to the SSP, it works with Right or Left)
    Last edited by Speedbag; 08-26-2010, 10:28 PM.

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  • TJ_MaTee
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    Hey Dee, the side punches were tough to get the timing down. I think the trick was to really anticipate with the hand "doing" the side punch. In other words, if you watch Alans vid on side punches, he stresses getting the hand out in front(side) of the bag ahead of time, otherwise you'll hit it late. Once you get the concept, it's just a matter of practicing it (like every other technique). Don't give up on them. Just look at what you've learned in the last year. Hope thi didn't confuse you too much. Haha.

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  • MsDeville
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    Originally posted by Speedbag View Post
    I do have great faith you! You hear the bag beat very well and have learned to improvise it very well to music. Here are some of my abbreviations with Technique names.

    FCP = Front Circle Punch
    FSP = Front Straight Punch
    FDP = Front Double Punch
    RSP = Reverse Single Punch
    F-Roll = Front Fist Roll
    R-Roll = Reverse Fist Roll
    S-F = Split Fist
    O-DES = Outward-Double Elbow Strike
    O-TES = Outward-Triple Elbow Strike (outward ES +FDP)
    D-DES = Downward-Double Elbow Strike
    D-TES = DownOutward-Triple Elbow Strike (FDP with Downward Elbow in middle)
    I-DES = Inward-Double Elbow Strike
    I-TES = Inward-Triple Elbow Strike (FDP + Inward ES)
    SSP = Side Single Punch (like a Reverse Single Punch on the side of bag)
    SDP = Side Double Punch (lead fist front, second fist side)
    S-TES = Side-Triple Elbow Strike (Like an O-TES, but third part is SSP, not FSP).

    ' ' = Two rebounds
    ' ' ' = Three rebounds.

    There are others but this is what I think you have been using. (maybe not sides...) It is the only way I have found to explain speed bag movements consistently and concisely. Kinda like sheet music. It takes a while to learn, but once you have it, you have it.

    study hard!

    Thanks, Alan. I'll print out this list for quick reference. Regarding side punches... No, you probably won't see me doing any... I think you know how I feel about those.

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  • Speedbag
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    I do have great faith in you! You hear the bag beat very well and have learned to improvise it very well to music. Here are some of my abbreviations with Technique names.

    FCP = Front Circle Punch
    FSP = Front Straight Punch
    FDP = Front Double Punch
    RSP = Reverse Single Punch
    F-Roll = Front Fist Roll
    R-Roll = Reverse Fist Roll
    S-F = Split Fist
    O-DES = Outward-Double Elbow Strike
    O-TES = Outward-Triple Elbow Strike (outward ES +FDP)
    D-DES = Downward-Double Elbow Strike
    D-TES = DownOutward-Triple Elbow Strike (FDP with Downward Elbow in middle)
    I-DES = Inward-Double Elbow Strike
    I-TES = Inward-Triple Elbow Strike (FDP + Inward ES)
    SSP = Side Single Punch (like a Reverse Single Punch on the side of bag)
    SDP = Side Double Punch (lead fist front, second fist side)
    S-TES = Side-Triple Elbow Strike (Like an O-TES, but third part is SSP, not FSP).

    ' ' = Two rebounds
    ' ' ' = Three rebounds.

    There are others but this is what I think you have been using. (maybe not sides...) It is the only way I have found to explain speed bag movements consistently and concisely. Kinda like sheet music. It takes a while to learn, but once you have it, you have it.

    study hard!
    Last edited by Speedbag; 08-26-2010, 10:27 PM.

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  • MsDeville
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    Originally posted by Speedbag View Post
    Both tunes are an awesome display of straight time punch drumming. Dead on beat with FSP, FCP, FDP, F-Roll, RSP, I-DES, O-DES, D-DES single fist passing and fantastic split fist and double split fist combinations. I can tell you are really hearing the bag beat to the song, gaining the fist control to sync your beat speed to the music and mixing in various single and double fists combinations, as well as an some elbows. The key is: you were dead on beat with almost every single punch. Holding a certain combo for four or six repetitions really does let the listener hear how the bag beat matches the music. You're making great progress. Very impressive.
    Thanks, Alan! It's coming to me more easily with each passing week, it seems... Now, if I could just understand Speedbagese – or, speed bag shorthand! I think I've said before that I am an illiterate speed bag puncher. (I had an aunt who could play the piano "by ear." Don't know if she could ever read sheet music...)

    I know most of the names of the punches that I do, but I'm bad at deciphering the code. Can you tell me what a couple of the abbreviations are? Such as, FCP, and SDP. (Forgive my ignorance.)

    Originally posted by Speedbag View Post
    OK, now for a more detailed review. I notice when you do a Front Double Punch (FDP) and then pass a single fist behind (RSP) for the combo of FDP ' ' RSP, you are always passing the lead fist of the FDP. That is OK, but I suggest mixing it up and letting the second fist pass through. Otherwise you may become limited to always passing the lead fist through. It will not make and difference in your punching sound, for it will still be FDP ' ' RSP, but just a different fist order. I like how you go to split fist combo from this: FDP ' ' RSP ' ' FCP ' ' RSP.... Very nicely done - especially keeping it "on beat".

    When you are doing continous FDP ' ' ' FDP... combinations you can easily make this "double beat" combo a triple beat combo by adding the outward elbow in front of the FDP, making it an Outward-Triple Elbow Strike combination (O-TES) ' ' ' (O-TES). You will have to hit a bit harder to put the last fist on the beat, but it will add a bit of variety for you. Easy to do on the Lee Michael song too, for it's pretty slow. Look at you from 1:20 - 1:40 you did 28 double beat punches, (17 FDP in a row, then a mix of Double Elbows and FDP). You could easily mix in a few O-TES ' ' ' O-TES combinations in there for a bit more shoulder and power training. You will need to hit harder to the O-TES's and get the 2 extra rebounds into the same time interval of the beat.

    Now you could also go a bit slower and add RDP and SDP into this mix. Consider the above section of 1:20 - 1:40 and the fact that you did 17 double punches from the front of the bag, and each combo had 3 rebounds in between because you hit continously from the front (same side). NOW if you add double fist pass througths (FDP ' ' RDP) you will still be continuous double punching but from different sides of the bag. Your double beat accents will stay the same, but your punching speed will need to slow down because you only need 2 rebounds instead of 3. instead of Doing:
    FDP ' ' ' FDP ' ' ' FDP ' ' ' FDP, you can do FDP ' ' RDP ' ' SDP ' ' SDP... just as easily by simply punching a bit slower. You will still keep your second fist ONE the beat, but it will take less rebounds to do it in FDP ' ' RDP.

    You can also use the FDP ' ' RDP...combo for a jump to double time double fists passing but You'll have to be able to jump on the afterburners, particularly with a larger bag.

    You got straight time punching down pretty well with double punching and single fist passing. Now add in the double fist passing and triple elbows. Then your ready to go to syncopated combinations, which will add a whole lot more possibilities for these two songs. You CAN do it, Dee! You are making great progress.
    Thanks for these suggestions. Yes, these combos will give me a lot more variety... I guess I have some drills to do... I'll need to practice these combos till they're second nature... 'cause once I get in that groove when punching to a particular song, I kind of go on "auto-pilot." ...it's usually a split-second decision for me.

    And thanks for having faith in me, Alan. But, how can I go wrong, with the King giving me pointers! Awesome. Thanks!

    I just reviewed a few of your You Tube clips on advanced combinations. These will be helpful to me while I practice:







    I thought I'd post the link to the above-mentioned Thread about Page 152 of the Speed Bag Bible. I found it interesting, but over my head the first time I read it a few months back... No matter, though. Just reading dialogue and interaction among fellow baggers here on the forum is so intriguing.

    http://www.speedbagforum.com/forums/...ead.php?t=1111

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  • Speedbag
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    Originally posted by MsDeville View Post
    I've been wanting to punch to a song by this group for a while (most of the members should remember this hit)...
    I kept up with it for most of the song, but faltered several times in the second half – check out the "helicopter" around 3:00 minutes in – and ran out of steam in the last minute of the song. .




    After working with the little Title bag for the past several weeks, I felt like I needed to build up my strength... Went out Saturday night and played some vintage Lee Michaels (from 1970) using the red Everlast bag.

    This isn't my favorite song by Michaels, but, it's very rhythmic and bluesy...I find that it's a good song to punch along with. Let me know what you think.

    Both tunes are an awesome display of straight time punch drumming. Dead on beat with FSP, FCP, FDP, F-Roll, RSP, I-DES, O-DES, D-DES single fist passing and fantastic split fist and double split fist combinations. I can tell you are really hearing the bag beat to the song, gaining the fist control to sync your beat speed to the music and mixing in various single and double fists combinations, as well as an some elbows. The key is: you were dead on beat with almost every single punch. Holding a certain combo for four or six repetitions really does let the listener hear how the bag beat matches the music. You're making great progress. Very impressive.

    OK, now for a more detailed review. I notice when you do a Front Double Punch (FDP) and then pass a single fist behind (RSP) for the combo of FDP ' ' RSP, you are always passing the lead fist of the FDP. That is OK, but I suggest mixing it up and letting the second fist pass through. Otherwise you may become limited to always passing the lead fist through. It will not make any difference in your punching sound, for it will still be FDP ' ' RSP, but just a different fist order. I like how you go to split fist combo from this: FDP ' ' RSP ' ' FCP ' ' RSP.... Very nicely done - especially keeping it "on beat".

    When you are doing continous FDP ' ' ' FDP... combinations you can easily make this "double beat" combo a triple beat combo by adding the outward elbow in front of the FDP, making it an Outward-Triple Elbow Strike combination
    (O-TES) ' ' ' (O-TES). You will have to hit a bit harder to put the last fist on the beat, but it will add a bit of variety for you. Easy to do on the Lee Michael song too, for it's pretty slow. Look at you from 1:20 - 1:40 you did 28 double beat punches, (17 FDP in a row, then a mix of Double Elbows and FDP). You could easily mix in a few O-TES ' ' ' O-TES combinations in there for a bit more shoulder and power training. You will need to hit harder to the O-TES's and get the 2 extra rebounds into the same time interval of the beat.

    Now you could also go a bit slower and add RDP and SDP into this mix. Consider the above section of 1:20 - 1:40 and the fact that you did 17 double punches from the front of the bag, and each combo had 3 rebounds in between because you hit continously from the front (same side). NOW if you add double fist pass througths (FDP ' ' RDP) you will still be continuous double punching but from different sides of the bag. Your double beat accents will stay the same, but your punching speed will need to slow down because you only need 2 rebounds instead of 3. instead of Doing:
    FDP ' ' ' FDP ' ' ' FDP ' ' ' FDP, you can do FDP ' ' RDP ' ' SDP ' ' SDP... just as easily by simply punching a bit slower. You will still keep your second fist ONE the beat, but it will take less rebounds to do it in FDP ' ' RDP.
    You can also use the FDP ' ' RDP...combo for a jump to double time double fists passing but You'll have to be able to jump on the afterburners, particularly with a larger bag.

    You got straight time punching down pretty well with double punching and single fist passing. Now add in the double fist passing and triple elbows. Then your ready to go to syncopated combinations, which will add a whole lot more possibilities for these two songs. You CAN do it, Dee! you are making great progress.
    Last edited by Speedbag; 09-07-2010, 10:55 PM.

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  • Biff
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    Originally posted by MsDeville
    Thanks, Bif. Hey, if you ever decide to drop in "Down Under" to visit Deano, Ted, and Roc, let me know. Maybe we can get a bunch of us together and get a group rate to Australia! Now, that would be a blast, wouldn't it?!
    Dee, preliminary plans are already being made. Mrs. Biff and I hope to retire in July of 2012; we are looking at visiting Deano (and family), Ted, and Roc, along with visiting a lot of "Oz" in January 2013.

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  • MsDeville
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    Thanks!

    Originally posted by Tim View Post
    Wow! You are becoming quite the punch drummer, that was fantastic D.
    Thanks, Tim. And thanks for posting videos from which I (and others) can watch and learn! I gotta work on those Outward Double Elbow Strike (O-DES) that you demonstrate on your YT channel.

    Originally posted by Biff View Post
    Nice Dee. Looks and sounds mighty fine!
    Thanks, Bif. Hey, if you ever decide to drop in "Down Under" to visit Deano, Ted, and Roc, let me know. Maybe we can get a bunch of us together and get a group rate to Australia! Now, that would be a blast, wouldn't it?!

    Originally posted by juxt View Post
    good job. sounds on point
    Thanks juxt! If I recall, you do some great high-punching on the bag. When you gonna post some video again on YT?

    Originally posted by TJ_MaTee View Post
    Dee, you are becoming more and more awesome with each post! You are "locking in" better each time. Look at your first vid post and look at this one. Didn't think you'd be baggin' like this, did you. Haha. Fantastic baggin'! Your time under the board is showing. Great job.
    Tj, I had no idea when I started bagging that I would become so dedicated to this. I'm lovin' it! And, I have gained such an appreciation for drummers.
    You guys R O C K ! !

    Originally posted by Roc Stone View Post
    Good stuff! You did'nt miss a beat
    Thanks, Roc. Love this tune...But, maybe you can help me out. In the lyrics I think he says "where beer does flow and men chunder..." what does chunder mean?

    Originally posted by paranday View Post
    Men At Work is fine, it is also a whole lot of joy to watch a woman at work, after the long hours of work you did over this past year.
    Yes indeed. Lots and lots (and LOTS) of hours under the board – through winter freezes and summer heatwaves. Nothin' can stop me!
    I'm so fortunate to be able to have the freedom and time for this. (I'm lucky that "Trainer Raul" can cook! Otherwise, he'd probably be subsisting on peanut butter sandwiches... )

    Originally posted by paranday View Post
    ...And where will you be next year at this time? Can't wait to find out.
    Well, after attending SpeedB.A.G. 2011, I might run away and join a vaudeville act... oh yeah. There aren't any... Okay.

    So maybe the circus... you gotta love those Carnies...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlSKaDzbQN0



    Thank you everyone for your positive comments.

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  • paranday
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    Men At Work is fine, it is also a whole lot of joy to watch a woman at work, after the long hours of work you did over this past year. And where will you be next year at this time? Can't wait to find out.

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