Old Everlast Bags Arrived

[Bag Man]

Originally Posted by BagBoy

The 4200 (the smaller bag) has some heavy wear on some of the seams, I know I can't undo that but I'll try to take some steps to prolong its usefulness. Any pointers on caring for such an old used bag? I really like hitting on it, can't stop. Off work for a few days so I'm going to get to know this bag really well.

I have one of these. Might be the plastic welt version, not sure. One of the panels basically wore off. I cut the leather out about half way up and Gorilla glued down what was left. The bag hits just as well on the bare nylon as it did on the leather. Go figure. Not pretty to look at though.

Steve

[rdshackleford]

Can anyone post a pic of the kidskin 4200 with LEATHER welted seams?

[rdshackleford]

Originally Posted by paranday

The better mousetrap bladder hasn't been made yet but Everlast was at least trying something. Just the wrong something. Let's make bladders great again and bring home speed bag manufacturing designed for people who bag by people. who bag.

I think Enkay already built the better mousetrap with their orange latex bladders. If you read through the patent (for which they are still under), there is a hell of a lot of technology that went into it. The inventors were well aware of what makes a good speed bag bladder, and the trade-offs involved between latex, butyl, and plastic.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US.../en?oq=6544608

[paranday]

Originally Posted by rdshackleford

I think Enkay already built the better mousetrap with their orange latex bladders. If you read through the patent (for which they are still under), there is a hell of a lot of technology that went into it. The inventors were well aware of what makes a good speed bag bladder, and the trade-offs involved between latex, butyl, and plastic.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US.../en?oq=6544608

That's interesting. Enkay are good bladders, Title would do well to use them as original equipment. The Everlast plastic bladder did give good bounce as I recall, but failed too often on initial inflation. If you got a good one they worked pretty well if my memory isn't faulty.

[jaja6009]

Awesome you got some old school kidskin bags. RDShack got me into the older bags. And I also love hitting the 4200 bag, but not too much as it still has a working plastic bladder in it and I always worry about it when I add air.

The Everlast leather from back in the day is great. I have a 4213 military and that leather is absolutely awesome. since the bag is basically unused. Today's Everlast bags are okay, but I am not a fan of the banana hot dog shape.

[jaja6009]

Originally Posted by paranday

I'd love to convince Title to take one of my 4205 bags and dismantle it and duplicate it. It's a far better design than their big blue bag. Get the leather thickness and the measurements and the construction methods copied as close to exactly as possible. The world needs a great old school big bag. Whether it's made in China or Wichita I'll leave up to them.

I've written Title and asked that they make a Kangaroo Vintage throwback bag. Make it look like the Title Gyro (4200 Everlast) with a light weight Kangaroo skin construction. Leather welting and an Enkay bladder. But the key is to make it bounce like the Perilous bag but shape it like the Title Gyro. Have a picture of a boxing Kangaroo wearing a T Title emblem shirt and their Gyro icon and sign me up for all the sizes they make of it.

[paranday]

Originally Posted by jaja6009

I've written Title and asked that they make a Kangaroo Vintage throwback bag. Make it look like the Title Gyro (4200 Everlast) with a light weight Kangaroo skin construction. Leather welting and an Enkay bladder. But the key is to make it bounce like the Perilous bag but shape it like the Title Gyro. Have a picture of a boxing Kangaroo wearing a T Title emblem shirt and their Gyro icon and sign me up for all the sizes they make of it.

Wow, sign me up for one.

[BagBoy]

Originally Posted by Speedbag

That is a great bag. The 4200 9x6 was my favorite bag for about 20 years. The "original" version had leather welting and later change to that red plastic. I beat a bunch of that welting flat and had a bag seams stitched at shoe shops in Memphis to keep them together. They just worked and really held up under hard beating from lots of people. At the time, I did not like the smaller 4204 8x5, thinking it was "too light".

Alan, I love this bag! I wish it wasn't so old and beat up because I want it as a go2 bag but when I hit on it I'm constantly reminded that it's days are numbered.. gosh dangit! Feels like I'm hitting a really awesome senior citizen

[rdshackleford]

This one has never been hit, not even by me. Original red plastic bladder still holds full pressure since I inflated it over a year ago.

[paranday]

Originally Posted by rdshackleford

Original red plastic bladder still holds full pressure since I inflated it over a year ago.

You could see why some of those red plastic bladders would fail, it was the ones where the heat seal seam was too close to the edge. Seems to me the quality control was shoddy, not the basic idea. I had only the bigger sized bags and rebound was good in those sizes. Not sure about smaller bags. But one year retention of air pressure is wild good performance.